Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
23
prettybird · 21/01/2021 10:59

some practices are starting with the oldest patients, some are doing it alphabetically.

If that's what my dad's practice is doing, he'll be last in line despite being 84! SadShock

He's supposed to get his first jag by 7 February (according to the Scottish Government's targets) but hasn't heard anything yet.

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 11:00

Speaking of the elderly, Roger Daltrey responded to the discussion around his stance as pro-Brexit, and now whinging about Brexit.

www.nme.com/news/music/people-are-calling-out-the-whos-roger-daltrey-for-his-previous-brexit-comments-2860916

Now, Daltrey has issued a response regarding his decision to sign his letter and lend his support to the visa-free touring campaign. “I have not changed my opinion on the EU. I’m glad to be free of Brussels, not Europe,” he told NME in a statement. “I would have preferred reform, which was asked for by us before the referendum and was turned down by the then president of the EU.”

The frontman continued: “I do think our government should have made the easing of restrictions for musicians and actors a higher priority. Every tour, individual actors and musicians should be treated as any other ‘Goods’ at the point of entry to the EU with one set of paperwork. Switzerland has borders with five EU countries, and trade is electronically frictionless. Why not us?”
...

ListeningQuietly · 21/01/2021 11:00

Re Pallets : Yes it was definitely chewed over in GREAT detail on these threads.
EU rules about the wood having to be properly treated
were known about before the 2016 vote
but the UK gov said that as the implementation date was ages away UK companies would not have to worry
and then the UK became a 3rd country
and the rules came in
and UK companies do not have supplies of the right pallets.

Hauliers refusing to cross
Do you BLAME THEM?
What was a 24 hour round trip (Belgium, Calais, Birmingham, Dover, Belgium)
is now anything up to 5 days
so where they could fit in 4 runs a week
its now one
so to do the UK run they either charge 4 times as much - not gonna happen
or take a 75% drop in their income not gonna happen
I told you so Grin

HoneysuckIejasmine · 21/01/2021 11:13

LQ is so frustrating how every time I now read an article about a Brexit problem, I think "Well duh, that was foreseen on MN" FFS. Our politicians and media are either deliberately ignorant or absolutely incompetent. Or both.

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 11:16

Maybe the EU could create a process that is trivial when done via an EU embassy, but otherwise requires stamps from all other 27 embassies ?

No skin of their nose, but a PITA for anyone who needs 2 stamps.

Peregrina · 21/01/2021 11:29

Switzerland has borders with five EU countries, and trade is electronically frictionless. Why not us?”

Sure, sign up for FoM and Schengen. It just shows how painfully ignorant some of the noisy Brexiters were and still are. Did people point this out to him?

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 21/01/2021 11:30

Brilliant idea, DGR.

Though it might mean Victoria Prentis has to find some real work to do.

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 11:53

Sure, sign up for FoM and Schengen. It just shows how painfully ignorant some of the noisy Brexiters were and still are. Did people point this out to him?

I have a theory about Roger. Something in the way he spoke - if the reporting was accurate. If I am right, it explains a lot (but it really isn't a great look for Roger, or the few other people I am thinking of).

I will cogitate and report back.

I wonder if the EU have an embassy in the US (goes to google his own inner monologue ...)

It seems to:

2175 K Street,
NW, Washington, DC 20037

ListeningQuietly · 21/01/2021 12:05

Johnson is now just being a petulant child
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/21/uk-insists-it-will-not-grant-eu-ambassador-full-diplomatic-status

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 12:18

Trumpian levels of toddler tantrum

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 12:20

[quote ListeningQuietly]Johnson is now just being a petulant child
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/21/uk-insists-it-will-not-grant-eu-ambassador-full-diplomatic-status[/quote]
I bet Boris wants a single UK ambassador to the EU though. Maybe they should need all 27 rEU ambassadors to deal with their countries individually ... because that's only going to work one way.

Like I said, it appears the EU is thus far making Brexit work far better for them than the UK will ever.

Boris deal is still ticking. Are they passing it around the cabinet yet ?

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 12:22

@Shrillharridan

Trumpian levels of toddler tantrum
I was amused at the rather limp attempt to distance the liar, cheat and thug Boris Johnson from the liar, cheat and thug Donald Trump recently.

I look forward to hearing in future how much a liar, cheat and thug has in common with the 46th POTUS.

UltimateFoole · 21/01/2021 12:40

@HoneysuckIejasmine

LQ is so frustrating how every time I now read an article about a Brexit problem, I think "Well duh, that was foreseen on MN" FFS. Our politicians and media are either deliberately ignorant or absolutely incompetent. Or both.
I find it so very, very depressing to see all the predictions come to pass though.

There is usually a smug satisfaction in I-told-you-so. Not this time. There is no satisfaction at all in seeing the reality of the fishing problems, haulage problems, work travel problems. It's just sad.

Seeing the ground being cleared to lower workers rights and food standards is utterly grim.

Tanith · 21/01/2021 12:40

I've seen them referred to as Tweedledum and Tweedledee, which seems pretty accurate to me.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/01/2021 13:17

Foreign Office says EU should not be treated as nation state, despite 142 countries granting bloc this status

The Foreign Office says it would set a precedent by treating an international body in the same way as a nation state.

Yet the UK has a British Ambassador to NATO?

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 13:31

Its petty and vindictive
Pretty much what the UK is now

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 13:34

@SabrinaThwaite

Foreign Office says EU should not be treated as nation state, despite 142 countries granting bloc this status

The Foreign Office says it would set a precedent by treating an international body in the same way as a nation state.

Yet the UK has a British Ambassador to NATO?

Not a great look for the rest of the world, is it ?

It's almost as if a secret cabal of pro-EU civil servants have been very quietly trolling ERG headbangers with ways to make the UK even more of a laughing stock by appealing to their sense of "sovereignty". Just when the UK could really do with realigning with the US, here we are - diving off on our own again Grin.

vera99 · 21/01/2021 13:55

The tragic irony and sad truth is 30000 civil servants have had their work cut out during the past year on this fool's errand that could have been preparing pandemic Britain to get ready for the winter. Actions have consequences in this case deadly so. I shall hate Johnson to my grave. Angry

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 14:04

And already the comparison I knew would happen has.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/uk-labelled-petty-for-refusing-to-give-eu-ambassador-full-diplomatic-status/21/01/

...
Senior Tory Tobias Ellwood described the row as a “silly spat” and insisted the UK should be “better than this”. Mr Ellwood, chairman of the Commons Defence Committee, said: “This is simply petty.

“(Joe) Biden commits to strengthening alliances and we engage in silly spats which will not help strengthen security and trade cooperation. We are better than this.”

Sir David Lidington, who was effectively deputy prime minister under Theresa May, said he hoped the Foreign Office “doesn’t pick a fight on this”, warning that non-recognition could set a “bad precedent” for regimes that hate EU ambassadors speaking up in support of human rights.

jasjas1973 · 21/01/2021 14:52

Switzerland has borders with five EU countries, and trade is electronically frictionless. Why not us?"

No fucking words.....

HappyWinter · 21/01/2021 15:28

More winning:

UK ministers gain power to allow lower-standard food imports

www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/19/uk-ministers-gain-power-to-allow-lower-standard-food-imports

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 15:29

@jasjas1973

Switzerland has borders with five EU countries, and trade is electronically frictionless. Why not us?"

No fucking words.....

There is a core of exceptionalism in that which can only be cured by the grim reaper.
DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 15:31

[quote HappyWinter]More winning:

UK ministers gain power to allow lower-standard food imports

www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/19/uk-ministers-gain-power-to-allow-lower-standard-food-imports[/quote]
Be interested to see if anyone sets up an FB page (or similar) to chart what is and what is not below previous standards.

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 15:46

Forward to anyone who gives a shit.

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops