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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 20/01/2021 17:54

"It is not enough to win. Others must lose." - Gore Vidal.

As we see on here and other Brexity threads the Brexiters always have to bring up how badly another EU country is doing - who cares none of our business we left, or they will always bring out the 'the EU is going to collapse card

Don't be fooled by a "nice one". They really are.

Thats 1 of the reasons I couldnt understand the Rory Stewart love in some people were having here

mrslaughan · 20/01/2021 18:19

And the whole thing about the oldies being vaccinated and then we'll be fine , is bullshit, they know the vaccine does not stop its spread - and hospitals are full of 40 and 50 and 60 year olds .....and if the vaccine doesn't stop spread and also there is no understanding about if it can prevent long Covid (it seems unlikely) - these are's holes re going to continue to destroy this country.

It's very dangerous.

Jason118 · 20/01/2021 18:23

@ListeningQuietly where will we be by the time of the G7 ?

8th?

ListeningQuietly · 20/01/2021 18:29

MrsL
I am hoping that clear messaging from the USA
will mean that there is less pressure for rubbish messaging in the UK

Jason
Oh by then the UK will be mid range
BUT
English is still the language of business, diplomacy and spying

Shrillharridan · 20/01/2021 18:50

I was SO determined to be in a good mood today.
Trump is gone! Hallelujah!
But then I went to M&S with mum and they've cordoned off the disabled spaces so people can queue.
I may have "asked to see the manager" 😡 I may also have quoted disability legislation.
Ffs.
THEN I've had to make an official complaint to ds1s college about the remote teaching provision.
I'm SO pissed.
I'm now hiding upstairs watching the inauguration again to cheer myself up.
I'm tired of people not doing their jobs and making piss poor excuses why.

prettybird · 20/01/2021 18:54

[quote Jason118]**@ListeningQuietly where will we be by the time of the G7 ?

8th?[/quote]
I was just catching up and was going to post just that: will the UK I refuse to say "we" even be in the top 7 of the world economies? ShockHmm

HappyWinter · 20/01/2021 19:22

DGRossetti We are screwed then, aren't we?

MrsLaughan Although they aren't really saying it, they will have to vaccinate most over 40s before easing to the lowest tiers? It's going to be a long year.

mrslaughan · 20/01/2021 19:34

@HappyWinter that's what they should do..... but they have fucked up before - gone against scientific advise again and again (exactly the same with Brexit.....)
They have no shame about the number that have died.......

On a Brexit story - I order my husband some gloves from Germany pre-Xmas.... they got shipped pre-Xmas and then goes up and sent back to supplier.... last week I queried and they were re-shipped , have again been returned to the supplier, abs the order has been cancelled.

Other is a small business that brings in Dog chews (who my sister uses) from Europe - they make some here , but they just don't have the volume to make it profitable. Anyway DSis rang the business as the website should almost everything OS. So he can't get stock in- so much paperwork, and he is going to have to put his prices up 10-15%. 2nd and 3rd problem is that hauliers aren't interested in bringing shipments into the UK. He thinks there being lazy 🤦‍♀️, and the 3rd problem is there are not enough of the correct pallets available- something I am 💯 % sure was discussed at length on this thread.....

Tanith · 20/01/2021 20:09

Nigella Lawson's Recipe of the Day Grin:

www.nigella.com/recipes/bitter-orange-tart

Words · 20/01/2021 21:24

Interesting that Ocado subbed Italian lamb for British, and my 1 k of Lurpak for 500g.

Looked it up and Lurpak is made in Denmark from British milk and cream from Arla.

If they are rationing it a bit it's hardly surprising.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 21/01/2021 08:38

Re vaxxing: DH and I have said all along the young should be vaccinated to get the economy moving. I know this is dangerous territory, but we're both over 60 and would rather see our children (20s) vaccinated before us. We're retired and can manage our risks. DS cannot do any meaningful work (musician). DD is working, has to stay away from home sometimes but will have to wait until the 12th of never to get vaccinated. Meanwhile we'll get ours and can swan about. Doesn't make sense to me at all.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 08:39

RATIONING lurpack???
(Panics)

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 08:40

Woman on BBC site moaning about paying customs and tariffs on a new coat from Europe.

Well. Duh.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 08:40

(Any why I ordered my lovely new boots from Germany in October....)

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 08:49

charges applied to online shopping

jasjas1973 · 21/01/2021 08:53

I thought this was rather sad, johnson really does hate anything EU.....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55742664

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 08:53

Yeah.
So petty.

Chersfrozenface · 21/01/2021 09:11

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

Re vaxxing: DH and I have said all along the young should be vaccinated to get the economy moving. I know this is dangerous territory, but we're both over 60 and would rather see our children (20s) vaccinated before us. We're retired and can manage our risks. DS cannot do any meaningful work (musician). DD is working, has to stay away from home sometimes but will have to wait until the 12th of never to get vaccinated. Meanwhile we'll get ours and can swan about. Doesn't make sense to me at all.
The trouble is, a lot of people in their 60s aren't retired, they're still working. Someone who turned 60 last August, for instance, won't get their state pension until December 2026. Some of those still working are able to do so from home, but many aren't. So managing their risks is very difficult.
Peregrina · 21/01/2021 09:17

I know this is dangerous territory, but we're both over 60 and would rather see our children (20s) vaccinated before us. We're retired and can manage our risks.

I agree. My life has degenerated to zoom events and shoppping when necessary - so I would definitely prioritise working people who must go out and mix with people.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 21/01/2021 09:28

The fragrant Mark Harper is a local MP. He was on the radio this morning going on about his March 8th deadline. He seems to think every single vulnerable person will have had both vaccinations by then. Hmm

Mistigri · 21/01/2021 09:43

Re who should get the vaccine. There is no evidence that you can successfully target and protect a group of older people. If we've learnt anything over the last year, it's this.

Individuals might be able to protect themselves by extreme isolation, but that isn't helpful from a public health perspective because it is not true of the older age group as a whole.

The more vulnerable you are, the less likely you are to be able to isolate effectively, because you will have more contact with healthcare and social care professionals, and more need for support from family/friends.

From a purely practical point of view, it's also much easier to vaccinate a smallish number of over 80s than the tens of millions of younger people who might infect them.

HesterThrale · 21/01/2021 09:52

WRT the idea that younger folk need to start going out, more than the old do...
...I have this concern at the back of my mind that we don’t need any more possible reasons for the young to feel resentment towards the old.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 21/01/2021 10:02

Cher I would vaccinate everyone of working age, if they are working currently or are seeking employment. I won't see my state pension for another 4 years but am lucky enough to have retired early. As I've said, I can manage my risks without financial impact on me, so I should be at the back of the queue.

Interesting posts on my local FB page: some practices are starting with the oldest patients, some are doing it alphabetically. Lots of outrage from those whose parents haven't had theirs yet.

borntobequiet · 21/01/2021 10:31

I’m in my late 60s and teach a 0.8 timetable. I also have a heart condition, which, though not very serious, has worsened lately - probably stress, because working conditions in the Autumn were demonstrably unsafe. My plan was to review at 70 and either carry on, cut down or retire properly. I’d like to get vaccinated as soon as possible as I’d like to stick to my plan. Otherwise I just stop and my very valuable skills and experience will be wasted.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 21/01/2021 10:34

born exactly. Why should you have to wait until the very elderly have been vaccinated? Vaccinate carers and teachers along with front-line medical staff first, then the rest of the working population.