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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 15:47

Ah.
Another things that was definitely NOT going to happen post brexit.
🐿

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 15:50

We have to get these farmers out of business (and more importantly off their land) as quickly as possible. Lowering import standards that you have fuck all intention (or means) of checking is probably one of the quickest ways.

mrslaughan · 21/01/2021 15:53

Going as well as we expected....

www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-manufactur-idUSKBN29Q1D7

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 15:53

I think if I could bring anything into the country, it would be a tazer. Small, easily carried, and a great mark up amongst "the community".

I'd probably put them in a fishing tackle bag Grin.

My first thought was drugs, but DS says they're already catered for Hmm.

ListeningQuietly · 21/01/2021 16:04

If the UK even threatens to lower its standards
the EU will not ratify the deal
they certainly do not trust Johnson's gang to tell the truth
www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/21/crisps-lorry-held-up-two-days-northern-irish-brexit-checks-mps-told

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 16:14

If the UK even threatens to lower its standards the EU will not ratify the deal

It's my understanding Grin that the UK is - as a sovereign country - free to set what standards (or lack thereof) as it sees fit. However lowering standards will trigger a reciprocal increase in tariffs on exports to the EU.

? - to indicate I may be wrong ?

With each passing day, it's becoming more clear how Johnson and co have been had. They were sold a deal that they could (and have) sold to the morons in the UK parliament that was implemented with go faster stripes. (I suspect the only think faster known to man was how fast a Charlie Sheen film went to video in the 90s).

No one heard it ticking.

And because no one bothers with the EU (no change there)

www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-special-adviser-brexit-ratification-maros-sefcovic-european-commission/

appears to have gone slightly under the radar.

Šefčovič will become the Commission’s point man on U.K. relations once the post-Brexit trade deal is ratified, representing the EU in the Partnership Council between the EU and U.K., as POLITICO reported Monday.

The UK may have told it's thick home audience that "Brexit is Done" but the reality is it's set to continue indefinitely. Hence the new position.

The final genius - and why I would hope the going rate for EU negotiators has risen - is that the EU knows that Boris and his band of low rent dimwits will never admit to being had, in much the same way as their fervent Brexit backers will never admit to being wrong.

Early days and all eyes on DS, but I wonder what the next 4 weeks will bring.

Peregrina · 21/01/2021 16:27

DGR - it will still be NASTY EU BULLYING US.

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 16:38

@Peregrina

DGR - it will still be NASTY EU BULLYING US.
Who cares ? It's the UKs problem now. Genius !

The EU is done with Brexit as a crisis. It's now a "thing". Thanks to the UKs ludicrous "negotiating" style which was ultimately (and perfectly) gamed at the last moment.

The only example I can think of that beats it, is when my DF was refused planning permission for an extension, and arranged for a parade of Sikh friends to "view" our house (which had a "FOR SALE" sign). Prompted our nasty racist Tory* councillor neighbour but one to call a special meeting of the committee to approve the extension double quick.

*One reason why they are scum. Really.

Clavinova · 21/01/2021 16:42

mrslaughan
Going as well as we expected....

Although your link does say;

However, export orders bucked the broader trend, with this balance rising to its least negative since March, though it was still below its long-run average.

“(This) suggests that EU firms are not hesitating to source goods from the UK, despite the extra red tape and rise in haulage costs,” Samuel Tombs of Pantheon Macroeconomics said.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 16:42

Fucking hell dgr
When my mum arrived here in the late 60s "no irish" signs were commonplace

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 16:42

🐿🐿🐿🐿🐿🐿

TartrazineCustard · 21/01/2021 16:45

Before Christmas, a journo I know excitedly passed on a tidbit of political goss: apparently the reason why the deal hadn't been struck yet was because Macron was kicking up a fuss over fishing to mollify his domestic audience, who were otherwise ready to kick him out.

Apparently, to that particular nice, middle class, middle aged Englishmen of the national press, the fact that we've gone from "we hold all the cards in EU negotiations" to "we are completely at the mercy of French domestic politics" didn't actually register as his "sources" finally coming clean about how thoroughly the UK had stitched itself up over this whole bloody Leave mess. At least I got a laugh out of it.

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 16:47

@Shrillharridan

Fucking hell dgr When my mum arrived here in the late 60s "no irish" signs were commonplace
I've only said in another thread why DF knew a lot of Irish, Indians and West Indians and Africans.

(Funnily enough, the estate agent that gave my DF the "FOR SALE" sign was like my DGF born in India to a British family. He too loved India and it's culture and liked finding houses for the Sikhs in Harrow ..)

As for scum Tory councillor ... he was the reason our stretch of road had no street party in 1977. Because "too many Indians live there".

My DM detested him.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 16:48

What a vintage cunt

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 16:48

But....tories gonna tory

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 16:54

@TartrazineCustard

Before Christmas, a journo I know excitedly passed on a tidbit of political goss: apparently the reason why the deal hadn't been struck yet was because Macron was kicking up a fuss over fishing to mollify his domestic audience, who were otherwise ready to kick him out.

Apparently, to that particular nice, middle class, middle aged Englishmen of the national press, the fact that we've gone from "we hold all the cards in EU negotiations" to "we are completely at the mercy of French domestic politics" didn't actually register as his "sources" finally coming clean about how thoroughly the UK had stitched itself up over this whole bloody Leave mess. At least I got a laugh out of it.

The further we get from it, the more it starts to look like a put up job.

The UK has been had - on a truly epic scale.

Chapeau ! (And when, pray tell, did that start being used in English ?)

Of course the UK were lapping up the silly French, and their fishy woes. It played straight into the open goal of UK MSM xenophobia. It bigged up Boris as "having to give Johnny Foreigner a damn good spanking" and allowed the media to proclaim a massive UK victory at the last minute. Again, playing directly into that nasty streak of racism that has powered Brexit since before the referendum.

And the fact that the UK should have guessed there was something fishy about the fish argument ???? I cannot express my admiration enough.

I think it's wonderful to live in a world with France in it. Although part of me thinks the stitch-up is so perfect it has to have been several countries pooling their knowledge.

Clavinova · 21/01/2021 17:03

RATIONING lurpack???
(Panics)

500g Lurpak £1 off in Waitrose today - one of their January offers.

Interesting snippet;
Butter hoarding; Lurpak demand in the UK surged by more than 20% during lockdown last year - and shipments of Lurpak to the UK also broke an all-time record for a single week - previous record in April 1986;

www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2020/09/03/Lockdown-life-boosts-Arla-Foods-butter-sales

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 17:05

Yeah
That was me
Soz

SabrinaThwaite · 21/01/2021 17:24

But Lurpak Spreadable isn’t proper butter - it’s got vegetable oil in it

Clavinova · 21/01/2021 17:30

mathanxiety
@ Clavinova The EU probably couldn't have done any more than it has done, thanks to individual national sovereignty, the freedom of each member state to formulate its own response and to implement its own policies.

European Commission - Overview of the Commission’s response.

Medical guidance for EU countries -
The Commission’s panel of 7 independent epidemiologists and virologists provides science-based guidelines and advises upon response measures for all Member States ... the Commission took the following steps:

19 March (not exactly first off the blocks)
Recommendations on community measures, such as physical distancing. ...

Proposals to ensure that any measures taken by Member States that restrict free movement due to the pandemic are coordinated and clearly communicated [their bold text] at the EU level, with a single set of colours to represent risks and a single set of rules to follow. The Commission will also work with Member States on a common approach to quarantine practices...

ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/overview-commissions-response_en#borders-and-mobility

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 17:42

I rather like the waitrose French butter with rock salt but its very £££

TatianaBis · 21/01/2021 17:43

What’s so special about Lurpak, much prefer President.

DGRossetti · 21/01/2021 17:45

Not quite sure what this is ?

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
mathanxiety · 21/01/2021 17:47

Indeed, @Clavinova.

Note the words -
'Medical guidance'
'advises'
'Recommendations'
'Proposals'
'The Commission will also work with Member States on a common approach to quarantine practices...'

Thank you for providing confirmation of my assertion that individual national sovereignty, the freedom of each member state to formulate its own response and to implement its own policies is and always was a feature of the EU, and that it holds fast to its principles of collegiality as opposed to dictation from above even in these challenging times.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 17:47

I love lurpack
Its scrummy