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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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SabrinaThwaite · 20/01/2021 12:35

^I just found it interesting that the option of "White - English" was there at all when, previously, "White - British" was deemed enough.
Why would they want to make the distinction?^

People who identify as English as opposed to British are more likely to vote Tory? Twas on the radio earlier this week.

Peregrina · 20/01/2021 13:07

I just found it interesting that the option of "White - English" was there at all when, previously, "White - British" was deemed enough. Why would they want to make the distinction?

Will they have different versions for Wales, Scotland and NI? So White - Welsh, White Scottish, White - Irish/British [delete if appropriate].

Well I will probably put British - European and DH always refuses to answer.

ListeningQuietly · 20/01/2021 13:13

I've always put "white - other"
as my family emigrated from Kent in the 1600's
(and other bits emigrated from Scotland, Germany, France, Italy etc)

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 13:20

Mulling over why the UK dismissed the EUs offer over touring visas, I am afraid I can only think of one reason.

In order to "protect" Brexit, it is now UK government policy to ensure that the EU simply does not work for UK citizens. I am betting this is going to be a feature of life in the UK for the foreseeable future. If the EU offers anything nice to the UK, it will rejected with maximum prejudice. There can be no benefits to EU membership will be the message.

Fuck this country.

Peregrina · 20/01/2021 13:27

There can be no benefits to EU membership will be the message.

But will those who have had their livelihoods destroyed agree with them?

ListeningQuietly · 20/01/2021 13:29

DGR
Mulling over why the UK dismissed the EUs offer over touring visas, I am afraid I can only think of one reason.
Much simpler.
Artists and musicians and actors tend not to vote Tory
Nor do students (Erasmus)

Peregrina · 20/01/2021 13:32

But Students are mostly young - the Tories need to remember this.

mrslaughan · 20/01/2021 13:43

DGR - I just saw a tweet that was along the lines of my thoughts - Erasmus and allowing artists to tour Europe - makes them feel European- and we can have the younger generations thinking that can we.... they may want to overturn the great victory that is Brexit😉

The tweet also included an article wher George Osbourne is quoted as saying , he did want to build council houses as it made for Labour voters..... interesting how these arseholes minds work

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 13:43

@Peregrina

There can be no benefits to EU membership will be the message.

But will those who have had their livelihoods destroyed agree with them?

They do so far.
DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 13:45

The tweet also included an article wher George Osbourne is quoted as saying , he did want to build council houses as it made for Labour voters..... interesting how these arseholes minds work

Mrs Thatcher: "-treat people middle class, and they will vote middle class-"

Council house sell off explained in a sentence.

TatianaBis · 20/01/2021 13:54

It was to Clegg. He couldn’t remember if it was Os or Cam who said it, it it was in a meeting. One of them said: “I don’t understand why you keep going on about social housing policy it just creates Labour voters.“

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 14:00

@TatianaBis

It was to Clegg. He couldn’t remember if it was Os or Cam who said it, it it was in a meeting. One of them said: “I don’t understand why you keep going on about social housing policy it just creates Labour voters.“
Which is as untrue as it is shocking. But then Cameron and Osborne were not elected for their intelligence. Or empathy. And certainly not courage.
ListeningQuietly · 20/01/2021 14:01

A former fellow student with DS talked of people being polluted by mixing with Europeans (he supported Arlene)

prettybird · 20/01/2021 14:06

Erasmus and touring musicians are dangerous opportunities that will pollute the experience and thinking of the young and stop them "seeing the light" and voting Tory Hmm

HappyWinter · 20/01/2021 14:08

More issues with exports and imports, and a warning about the possibility of sub-standard food imports from other parts of the world:

Brexit could lead to sub-standard food imports, farmers warn

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-food-drink-national-farmers-union-b1789993.html

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 14:17

[quote HappyWinter]More issues with exports and imports, and a warning about the possibility of sub-standard food imports from other parts of the world:

Brexit could lead to sub-standard food imports, farmers warn

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-food-drink-national-farmers-union-b1789993.html[/quote]
What you meant to type was people who voted for Brexit welcome it with open arms

easy mistake.

And fuck you Roger. (I've now seen a clip where he snorts with "what a fucking idiot you are" all over his face

The NME called it perfectly

Everything’s so simple if you really sit down and don’t think about it. Case in point: the notoriously black-or-white, cut-and-dried issue of Brexit. “As if we didn’t tour Europe before the fucking EU!” snaps Roger Daltrey at a Sky News reporter asking him “how are you going to tour Europe?”, and storming off camera, presumably to join a country-length march that resembles a befuddled coach trip to a garden centre that’s gone astray into a muddy field near Sunderland and is gradually being decimated by Alzheimer’s and diabetes.

HappyWinter · 20/01/2021 14:27

True, but I don't think they thought it through. Or they didn't think it would happen to them? It's not a great result for the rest of us if it comes to fruition. That's the impact I'm most worried about.

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 14:39

Or they didn't think it would happen to them?

"It is not enough to win. Others must lose." - Gore Vidal.

Oh the baseline of Brexit was plain as the nose on my face. It was carefully sold to give the impression that all the people Brexiteers had quietly detested for years would get a damn good kicking.

Eventually someone will forget that's supposed to be a secret, and it'll slip out in an interview somewhere. It may have already, but so far the media can keep it under wraps.

The next phase of Brexit will be to make the fishermen and farmers feel that someone else is suffering more than them.

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 16:31

Interesting how little this need to basically lodge a bond to export to the UK has gone under the wire.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/20/absolute-carnage-eu-hauliers-reject-uk-jobs-over-brexit-rules

A British freight company director with more than over 20 years’ experience has told how EU hauliers and transport companies are turning their backs on UK business because they are being asked to provide tens of thousands of pounds in guarantees to cover VAT or potential tariffs on arrival in Britain.

The financial guarantee requirement did not exist before Brexit and EU transport companies who previously provided a shipping service for small and medium-sized firms have decided they do not want the extra financial burden, according to Colin Jeffries, who runs Key Cargo International in Manchester.

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Tanith · 20/01/2021 16:59

@Peregrina

I just found it interesting that the option of "White - English" was there at all when, previously, "White - British" was deemed enough. Why would they want to make the distinction?

Will they have different versions for Wales, Scotland and NI? So White - Welsh, White Scottish, White - Irish/British [delete if appropriate].

Well I will probably put British - European and DH always refuses to answer.

No, no option for other UK nations. Welsh-born DH is already grumbling and rumbling about it Smile And this is for under 5s to access their nursery funding.

Speaking of which, it seems the DofE has been telling Early Years providers that, if staff or children are in contact with a positive case, they do not have to isolate so long as they test negative every day for 7 days.
PHE has now "clarified" firmly that this is not correct.

www.eyalliance.org.uk/alliance-criticises-conflicting-self-isolation-advice-being-given-early-years-settings

ListeningQuietly · 20/01/2021 17:34

Brexit's sunlit uplands have lot even lasted three weeks

and Biden's focus is not on trade deals with isolated countries

where will we be by the time of the G7 ?

ListeningQuietly · 20/01/2021 17:36

not ...

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2021 17:38

Sebastian Payne @SebastianEPayne
NEW: Boris Johnson is set for a "battle royal" with Conservative MPs over his cautious approach of easing lockdown.

Covid Recovery Group is mobilising its members for renewal vote of coronavirus measures on March 31,

Latest with @GeorgeWParker

www.ft.com/content/a629f9cf-731a-4213-a8b1-b89700f44b98
Boris Johnson set for ‘battle royal’ with Tory MPs over easing lockdown

The UK prime minister does not intend to rush into easing the nationwide lockdown restrictions which are set for review on February 15, according to allies. The government estimates that 88 per cent of likely deaths associated with Covid-19 will be cut as a result of the initial wave of inoculations.

But the Covid Recovery Group of 50-plus Tory MPs who are sceptical of lockdowns has urged Mr Johnson to set out a road map for exiting the restrictions by March 8, three weeks after the most vulnerable are due to be vaccinated and some immunity has developed.

So thats the ERG, then the NRG...

...And now we have the CRG.

All largely the same people I'd add.

If you think the wingnut push is over, think again.

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DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 17:41

NEW: Boris Johnson is set for a "battle royal" with Conservative MPs over his cautious approach of easing lockdown.

That fact that this is news on a day with the most deaths ever in the UK is pretty much all you every needed to know about Tories as a mass.

They. Are. Cunts.

Don't be fooled by a "nice one". They really are.

TatianaBis · 20/01/2021 17:47

There’s no way oldies will be vaccinated by early March. My parents’ friends have been given dates in late March and April for their second jab. My parents haven’t had their first yet.

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