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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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DrBlackbird · 20/01/2021 09:07

[quote HesterThrale]An oyster farmer talking about the difficulties Brexit has brought.
I'm not familiar with the procedures, but basically it sounds like his long-established family business is going down the pan. Nothing to do with 'not filling in forms properly'. Can't get paperwork/permits quickly enough to be able to fulfil orders in the EU, etc, etc.
He didn't vote to leave and is understandably bitter.

[/quote] This BTLC in that video is heart warming in its welcoming and pragmatic tone.

Well, one solution might be to join us again. I mean, we in the EU have made mistakes, we have to learn from it, we are far from perfect and we hold affection for the UK. Right now it appears that, at least where fishing is concerned, the UK has made a mistake. It happens. As far as I can see, when you decide to try to join the EU again, you will have plenty of negotiating room. For no one in the EU wants this Brexit nightmare all over again. Losing face? Not to us. It is a relief to find a good neighbour who also makes mistakes. It means we are all human. Welcome back anytime and no hard feelings.

Unfortunately, the commentator is mistaken in thinking that any of the ERG'ers actually gives a moment's thought to those Brits who are losing their livelihoods. And, in any event, Johnson and co don't do mistakes. This is what they planned all along don't you know.

borntobequiet · 20/01/2021 09:09

That Kent link is interesting, not least in that I now know what a self supporting Anglican priest is and (via Wikipedia) that there are about 2000 of them.
Also that the facility residents are riled up about is only going to be in use until 2025. What then? Maybe we will be completely cut off and subsisting on turnips and patriotic fervour so no need.

dontcallmelen · 20/01/2021 09:10

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DrBlackbird · 20/01/2021 09:11

Interesting Peregrina that her article was published in the Daily Fail.

Peregrina · 20/01/2021 09:23

Yes, the back pedalling is getting a bit more furious, isn't it?

Peregrina · 20/01/2021 09:39

But now that Victoria Prentis has found out which stamps and colour ink she needs for Irish documents, she will have to go off and find out what colour the French, Dutch, Danes ...... use.

And so will a Culture secretary trying to get concessions for performing artists and an Employment secretary negotiating with 27 countries to get UK qualifications recognised.......

And so will ........ But they Got Brexit Done.

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2021 09:40

Darren Marshall @darrenmarshall
The Telegraph: Biden "really cares about" the UK

Errrrrr....

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
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RedToothBrush · 20/01/2021 09:43

www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-55723250?__twitter_impression=true
NHS child gender clinic rated 'inadequate' by inspectors

Record-keeping at Gids was also criticised, with the CQC noting that "staff had not consistently recorded the competency, capacity and consent of patients referred for medical treatment before January 2020".

This had changed since, but the CQC noted that in an audit of 10 records of young people referred for hormone blockers in March 2020, "only three contained a completed consent form and checklist for referral".

And

After reviewing 35 care records, the CQC found there was "no clearly defined assessment process" and "many records did not demonstrate good practice".

The records also appeared to be "insufficient" in considering the needs of young people with autism spectrum disorders.

In a sample of 22 records, the CQC found more than half mentioned autistic spectrum disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), but "records did not demonstrate consideration of the relationship between autistic spectrum disorder and gender dysphoria".

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RedToothBrush · 20/01/2021 09:44

And

CQC deputy chief inspector of hospitals Kevin Cleary said his team continued to monitor the trust "extremely closely" and inspected the service again because "we were extremely clear that there were improvements needed in providing person-centred care, capacity and consent, safe care and treatment, and governance".

"In addition, vulnerable young people were not having their needs met as they were waiting too long for treatment."

The leadership at the trust knew "exactly what improvements are needed", he added.

Article by Ben Hunte btw.

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HesterThrale · 20/01/2021 09:50

With all the excitement about the US today, I hope this doesn’t slip through unnoticed.

Tory MPs rip out NHS protections from trade bill

Trade Minister Greg Hands said there was no need to protect the health service with legislation because “the NHS is not and never will be for sale". He characterised such claims as "offensive and absurd".

Why doesn’t that fill me with confidence?
Oh yeah...

But government ministers made similar promises not to undermine workers' rights before Brexit, only to move to water down EU rules on rest breaks, holiday pay, and overtime.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-trade-deal-protections-sell-off-b1789867.html

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2021 09:52

Sorry wrong thread there.

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borntobequiet · 20/01/2021 10:04

@RedToothBrush

Darren Marshall *@darrenmarshall* The Telegraph: Biden "really cares about" the UK

Errrrrr....

Well someone’s an idiot. But I suppose the Torygraph, what can be expected?
Tanith · 20/01/2021 10:05

[quote HesterThrale]With all the excitement about the US today, I hope this doesn’t slip through unnoticed.

Tory MPs rip out NHS protections from trade bill

Trade Minister Greg Hands said there was no need to protect the health service with legislation because “the NHS is not and never will be for sale". He characterised such claims as "offensive and absurd".

Why doesn’t that fill me with confidence?
Oh yeah...

But government ministers made similar promises not to undermine workers' rights before Brexit, only to move to water down EU rules on rest breaks, holiday pay, and overtime.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-trade-deal-protections-sell-off-b1789867.html[/quote]
This should be filed with the "NHS safe in our hands" and "There will be no forms, no checks, no barriers of any kind" porkies. I'm sure it's going to be needed in the future...

Tanith · 20/01/2021 10:11

As always, at the start of term, I have been grappling with the online LA portal.
I was interested to see that there is now an option to record a child as "White - English" as well as "White - British". None of the other UK nationalities are defined.

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 10:56

@Tanith

As always, at the start of term, I have been grappling with the online LA portal. I was interested to see that there is now an option to record a child as "White - English" as well as "White - British". None of the other UK nationalities are defined.
I ignore those anyway. If we all did they'd go away.
ListeningQuietly · 20/01/2021 11:03

Re Dover Lorry Park
A few people are bring rather disingenuous in that Guardian article
guston-pc.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/simple-file-list/Minutes-2020/Minutes-November-2020.pdf
Residents were told in October

Peter Sherred
Hmmm. He has made good use of the right to be forgotten in GDPR
but I can still find this
cinqueports.org/lord-warden-officials/admiralty-judge/

The people of Guston voted both for Brexit and for Tory MPs and for Tory councils.

I am sad that the field is being destroyed
but they voted for it

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 11:42

Interesting story, with lines to read between

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-20/amazon-fights-eu-for-letting-italy-run-parallel-antitrust-probe

Notice how it's expedient for Amazon to only have to deal with one regulator in Europe - the EU.

Notice also how the UK is not of fuck all use to Amazon in dealing with the EU.

Rinse and repeat for Google, Apple, plus all the other industry sectors that are of lobbying mass in the US - aerospace maybe ?

Tanith · 20/01/2021 11:43

"I ignore those anyway. If we all did they'd go away."

Oh, there's a "Prefers Not To Say" option, of course.
I just found it interesting that the option of "White - English" was there at all when, previously, "White - British" was deemed enough.
Why would they want to make the distinction?

ListeningQuietly · 20/01/2021 11:48

I just found it interesting that the option of "White - English" was there at all when, previously, "White - British" was deemed enough.
Why would they want to make the distinction?
To easily identify racists ?

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 11:52

@ListeningQuietly

I just found it interesting that the option of "White - English" was there at all when, previously, "White - British" was deemed enough. Why would they want to make the distinction? To easily identify racists ?
Like I said, I don't fill them in. Never have. Never will. Waste of time and have managed to keep everyone thinking about "race" far more than they ever did when such questions weren't asked.

We're either all human, or we're not.

That's probably for another thread ...

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 12:00

Roger Daltery backed Brexit (to be fair he wasn't a cheerleader, but he said he was in favour of it and "We managed before didn't we ?"). So sorry Roger - and you really are a rock legend. But you are also a fuckwit. And now not only are you going to find it harder. But entire generations who grew up and have yet to grow up are being affected here.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/more-than-100-music-stars-attack-brexit-deal-687znfk66

Nicola Benedetti and the Who’s Roger Daltrey signed a letter to The Times saying it is too expensive to work in Europe after Brexit

(I know Pete Townshend was very much a remainer)

TatianaBis · 20/01/2021 12:07

@Peregrina

Given their age, demographic and location they’re most likely to be Leave voters.

Perhaps they thought the lorry parks would be in someone else’s back garden.🤷🏼‍♀️

DGRossetti · 20/01/2021 12:15

I have to correct myself - my recollection was that Roger Daltrey was not a cheerleader for Brexit. Turns out from the comments on the post that highlighted the story he was. With video clips of him bigging up leave.

So fuck you Roger. Who the fuck are you ?

TatianaBis · 20/01/2021 12:20

Who the fuck are you?

He's the deaf dumb and blind kid.

TatianaBis · 20/01/2021 12:21

That musical would not be made now. (And if it were it couldn't tour in the EU).

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