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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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DGRossetti · 19/01/2021 17:43

@Peregrina

I image that customs clearance will be with us for at least five years. It's utterly cockeyed that a country which thinks it's a trading nation should want to make it more difficult to do so.
Why at least 5 year ? The only way to get rid of them is to (re)negotiate access to the customs union. Which is going to be a policy - like elctoral reform - that both Tories and Labour will avoid with a bargepole.
ListeningQuietly · 19/01/2021 17:47

DGR
Customs clearance has ALWAYS applied to the 50% of trade that came from outside the EU

hence why there are freight clearance agents at container ports and airports

it is NOT a dying industry
no matter what happens between the UK and the EU

Clearance clerks and import customs work together all over the world
at every transit point

thinks about training up and relocating to Barbados

DrBlackbird · 19/01/2021 17:47

All the job losses and destroyed businesses. A mountain of double red tape for many businesses. Higher prices and less choice for consumers. Ultimately reduce income for HMRC.

But our current government really just could not care a toss for any of that. More of our money for their mates. The cabinet memberes all have their millions and second homes abroad in any event. Johnson can get his EU passport thanks to Johnson senior.

So they are alright Jack. And we are most definitely not Angry

Shrillharridan · 19/01/2021 17:48

Hmmmm
How does one train?????

ListeningQuietly · 19/01/2021 18:46

Shrill
Joking apart
This job advert is real
www.reed.co.uk/jobs/customs-clearance-clerk/41788402
It will be one of these companies
www.yell.com/s/customs+clearance+agents-harwich.html

The Dover shift team earned the same for less skills because the hours were antisocial.
Long distance airfreight and Seafreight are 9-5
and if you have the references, you can work anywhere in the world filling in the same forms Grin

If I was going back into it I'd email each of the local companies Wink

Peregrina · 19/01/2021 19:10

So that might be another bonus - that customs clearence clerks will be in shorter supply than previously, which might help them push up wages?

mrslaughan · 19/01/2021 20:00

So it begins

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
Chersfrozenface · 19/01/2021 20:24

Well, it's all going swimmingly...

"UK and US fail to do mini-trade deal as Trump exits"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55725718

This, I thought, was the very interesting bit:
"Earlier last month the UK's Trade Department announced it would unilaterally break from the EU's position of levying tariffs on imports of Boeing aeroplanes, after the end of the Brexit transition period.

It was, said Ms Truss, an attempt to create goodwill to solve the 16-year old dispute.

But the UK aerospace industry was furious with what it saw as the government reneging on promises made in early 2020 to support Airbus in the dispute, even after Brexit."

Taking back control, making our own decisions, ploughing our own furrow - turns out to be quite complicated.

TatianaBis · 19/01/2021 20:32

The UK and US have failed to do a much hoped for "mini-deal" over trade in the last days of the Trump administration.

The ERGers set so much store by this. The dreams of ditching the EU for a Trumpist US deal are long gone.

SwedishEdith · 19/01/2021 20:36

This reassuring from Victoria Prentis Hmm Shock

Lords EU Committee@LordsEUCom
Lots of fishers have been having difficulty exporting their catches to the EU, with any delays hugely reducing the value of their products. This is what @DefraGovUK Minister @VictoriaPrentis told us she’s doing to solve those issues

twitter.com/LordsEUCom/status/1351583271449223172?s=20

Peregrina · 19/01/2021 20:51

Yes Victoria Prentis, I think we could have told you that having a seat at the table would have been much easier than having to negotiate with coastal EU states namely the Irish, the French, the Dutch, the Germans, the Belgians (do they have a fishing industry?) and the Danes. Then we must not forget the Norwegians and Icelanders too.

But all of this should have been negotiated back last February with the EU so that it was sorted out by now. This is the new reality. I bet you wish you were still organising nativity trails - so much easier than doing the job you are paid for.

Peregrina · 19/01/2021 21:00

I knew it was a mistake for Labour to back the Tory deal.

TatianaBis · 19/01/2021 21:26

Tories playing the inevitable blame game doesn’t make it a mistake. Or make it true.

jasjas1973 · 19/01/2021 21:45

@Peregrina

I knew it was a mistake for Labour to back the Tory deal.
Labour were between a rock and hard place, don't support it and the Cons would have constantly said Lab are the party of no deal & remain.... back it and whatever shite happens, Lab are associated with it.

I feel in the long run, they should not have supported Johnsons deal.

borntobequiet · 19/01/2021 21:54

That woman’s natural limit is Deputy Head Girl, and a pretty poor one at that.

prettybird · 19/01/2021 21:57

All that Labour needed to do is abstain and it would still have gone through Hmm

So they wouldn't have been responsible for "No Deal" Confused

prettybird · 19/01/2021 21:58

was Grin - not "is" Blush

TatianaBis · 19/01/2021 22:09

Abstain and they would be the party not listening to the voters, out of touch elitist Remainers, lost contact with their core heartlands etc.

Whatever they did would have been ‘wrong’.

SabrinaThwaite · 19/01/2021 22:26

So it seems that the CETA agreement allows Canada to act as a hub for exports without attracting tariffs ... but the UK/EU agreement doesn’t allow the UK to do the same.

Does that now make us Canada - - - ?

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2021 22:44

@Peregrina

Yes Victoria Prentis, I think we could have told you that having a seat at the table would have been much easier than having to negotiate with coastal EU states namely the Irish, the French, the Dutch, the Germans, the Belgians (do they have a fishing industry?) and the Danes. Then we must not forget the Norwegians and Icelanders too.

But all of this should have been negotiated back last February with the EU so that it was sorted out by now. This is the new reality. I bet you wish you were still organising nativity trails - so much easier than doing the job you are paid for.

Wasn't that literally Farage's job... ?
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friendlycat · 19/01/2021 23:09

Yes being a customs expert would be a good opportunity for the future.
I’ve had to look into the paperwork for importing certain products that I require from France for my own business. It’s far more complicated and expensive than ever before but the goods are tariff free. I was always dreading this moment even though I have the necessary in place. Then I contact the haulage broker I would normally use and no they won’t handle the business they are swamped with red tape and everyone like me.

Ok so I’ll have to temporarily make the decision to not use that French supplier and stick with the Far East.

Next problem is one of my clients is in Northern Ireland so just like IKEA
John Lewis etc I’ll have to see how this pans out as exporting goods to them is now a bloody nightmare. The paperwork is just immense. I may have to refuse their future work.

Sorry but people like Clav on this thread are just clueless as they aren’t actually dealing with any of the actual issues that have to be dealt with. It really is not a simple process anymore.

All of this affects the profitability of a company. Less profit equals less corporation tax for HMRC just at the time when by golly they need it.

HesterThrale · 19/01/2021 23:25

An oyster farmer talking about the difficulties Brexit has brought.
I'm not familiar with the procedures, but basically it sounds like his long-established family business is going down the pan. Nothing to do with 'not filling in forms properly'. Can't get paperwork/permits quickly enough to be able to fulfil orders in the EU, etc, etc.
He didn't vote to leave and is understandably bitter.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 19/01/2021 23:43

So glad VP is sorting out important matters such as ink colours and where to put the stamp. She'll do a marvellous job at that, I'm sure. Especially once she's done it 27 times.

That'll be winning 27 times over.

Mistigri · 20/01/2021 06:50

So it seems that the CETA agreement allows Canada to act as a hub for exports without attracting tariffs ... but the UK/EU agreement doesn’t allow the UK to do the same.

I'm really amazed at the surprise at this all over social media. There is literally no risk of Canada becoming a "hub" for EU distribution. I would guess that the value of goods imported from the EU into Canada then re-packaged and re-exported to the EU is almost zero.

The U.K. asked and the EU predictably said no. They do not want a close neighbour with lower standards to be a hub for EU distribution and honestly anyone who thinks that would be a good idea needs to have their head examined to see if any brain cells can be detected.

Peregrina · 20/01/2021 08:50

Theresa May speaks out about Trump and Johnson and Johnson's lack of moral leadership. It's a pity that she couldn't have spoken sooner as PM but I guess that the ERG and Johnson were just too powerful. With Trump about to become a former President it may now have emboldened her.

Kent residents are not happy about the new lorry parks, and are grumbling about not being consulted. We don't know how those quoted voted in the Referendum but know that the constituency voted Tory. My own thoughts were that now you are beginning to know what it's like to be ignored as we Remain voters have been ever since the Referendum. Your votes have consequences - so own them.