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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Jason118 · 18/01/2021 17:13

The EU are wise to delay ratification. Until it's ratified it may be more difficult for Johnson to break it Smile

Peregrina · 18/01/2021 17:44

Certain articles never allow Comments - Larry Elliot's being a prime example. It doesn't stop people writing in and lambasting him though.

Until it's ratified it may be more difficult for Johnson to break it.

Tee hee, by which time Biden will (God willing) be better ensconced. Futhermore, it's abundantly clear that the Johnson Government in particular, but May before him, have completely used up any stock of goodwill that EU countries once had.

What a sad reflection though - our Government rushes it through without debate and at least one member shamelessly admitting not to have read it, and the EU countries want to give it a proper examination. Welcome to 3rd Country status Brexiters. Shame we can't disown you.

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 17:50

@Jason118

The EU are wise to delay ratification. Until it's ratified it may be more difficult for Johnson to break it Smile
I know that EU ratification was not going to happen with "Westminster speed", but it's scheduled, surely ?

Seems Bidens interested in US foreign aid being important. Hopefully Boris will put him straight on that.

Clavinova · 18/01/2021 17:52

DGRossetti
New Covid figures have revealed the UK per capita rate of deaths is currently the highest in the world, marking another grim milestone in the government’s pandemic response.

Did you notice that 8 countries in the top 10 of your list (highest Covid death rate per 1m people current 7-day average - excluding Monaco and Andorra) are members of the European Union? And 14 member states in the top 20 countries with the current highest death rate. What could the European Union have done better in your opinion?

Mistigri · 18/01/2021 18:04

EU haulage companies making a packet because U.K. companies are paying to send lorries back empty

t.co/CnlyeoNUcy?amp=1

Good for imports (yay for Spanish farmers) not so good for exports (ouch for global Britain).

Mistigri · 18/01/2021 18:12

Also: looks like the fishing guys came all that way for nothing. BBC largely ignoring them. They haven't learnt that you need to be a bit naughty to get attention.

Sucks to be a fishing company though. Blamed by one side for Brexit. Blamed by the government and their cutnpaste army for not filling in forms right and Making Brexit Look Bad.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 18/01/2021 18:15

These league tables are only as accurate as the countries reporting their data. Like when Russia hadn't had any cases they suddenly jumped up 100k when they had to admit it. I would question that value is comparisons because, as we know from our own government, everyone has a different metric for assigning covid as cause of death and counting.

Mistigri · 18/01/2021 18:56

Here we go, before we get the copypasta version: BodgeJob blaming the fisherfolk for raising non-tariff barriers against themselves:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html

It's all their fault for Not Doing It Properly and Making Brexit Look Bad.

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 18:57

Also: looks like the fishing guys came all that way for nothing. BBC largely ignoring them.

(Checks upthread ...)

A Westminster which shrugged of a million protesters and a 6 million plus signature. They won't even break stride to ignore these losers.

pretty much as predicted. They have served their purpose. Now they can fuck off. Rinse and repeat for every moaning minnie.

HannibalHayes · 18/01/2021 19:04

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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 19:06

@Mistigri

Here we go, before we get the copypasta version: BodgeJob blaming the fisherfolk for raising non-tariff barriers against themselves:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html

It's all their fault for Not Doing It Properly and Making Brexit Look Bad.

Why not ? They were stupid enough to vote for Brexit and him. The irony being they managed to fill those forms in properly ...
Mistigri · 18/01/2021 19:09

There's a big difference between ticking a box after someone lied to you and completing customs forms. In any case, the problem doesn't actually seem to be the forms themselves but the lack of customs agents (you need one on both sides apparently) and the time it takes to do veterinary checks.

As I said earlier:

Trade is insanely complicated. These people were lied to - they were lied to about frictionless trade, about the great trade deal. Yes, they were naive and selfish (aren't we all). But the punishment for being naive and selfish shouldn't be the loss of your business and the destruction of your community.

TheABC · 18/01/2021 19:13

One of my hobbies involves regular meet-ups with ladies at least two decades older than me. Many of them have had jabs, sadly, many of them also have a friend or relative who died of Covid-19.

I asked their opinion on holidays abroad this year. The consensus was 'not worth booking' until there is more clarity over travel. Plus, a lot of confusion over the EHlC and if it still worked.

I predict a boom in city-breaks and last-minute destinations, when the tiers come down (probably in the summer).

I will be that way >>>> in a bell tent.

ListeningQuietly · 18/01/2021 19:52

Mistigri
In any case, the problem doesn't actually seem to be the forms themselves but the lack of customs agents (you need one on both sides apparently)
Indeed
Agent needed to do the T2 saying that goods have left country A
Agent needed to do the C88 saying that goods have entered country B
Entirely separate from the customs officers at both borders
(who have the right to do turn out and tally on any shipment they do not trust)

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 18/01/2021 20:19

Worse than being ignored, the fishermen have been served with fines for breaching lockdown rules by travelling to Downing St.
Adding insult to injury.

borntobequiet · 18/01/2021 20:26

Also: looks like the fishing guys came all that way for nothing. BBC largely ignoring them.

And they’re considering doing them for breaking Covid regulations.

I can’t think of anything guaranteed to rile them up more. My prediction: from today it will all start to kick off big time, because now so many will begin to realise just how badly they’ve been conned.

borntobequiet · 18/01/2021 20:27

Oops X post. Tis I should have checked first.

mathanxiety · 18/01/2021 20:52

Lord Sumption clearly learned nothing from the experience of winning the war.

Lebensunwertes Leben
He is on a very slippery slope.

TheElementsOfMedical · 18/01/2021 21:06

because now so many will begin to realise just how badly they’ve been conned

What good will that do the conned folk? They voted for it, in 2016, 2017 and 2019, as our TruBeLeavingWinnerz keep reminding us.

At least they got what they say they knowingly voted for. The rest of us, we get all the same shit when we didn't even want it.

Mistigri · 18/01/2021 21:23

As for Lord Sumption. I mean I know a lot of people actually do believe that some lives are worth less than others (including quite a lot of people on this site actually) but actually SAYING IT OUT LOUD during an appearance on NATIONAL TELEVISION?!!!????

Jesus fucking christ do these people ever have a normal conversation with a normal person?!

Shrillharridan · 18/01/2021 21:37

Nope :(
They are like fucking robots, devoid of feeling

mathanxiety · 18/01/2021 21:44

@ListeningQuietly
Wrt Dublin Port, and Rosslare.

www.politico.eu/article/ferry-firms-avoid-britain-with-brexit-buster-services-from-ireland-to-eu/

At Rosslare, Ireland’s closest port to France, sailings and cargo capacity for roll-on, roll-off shipments by lorry have quadrupled in the past month. Other vessels are being rerouted from Belfast, Liverpool and Holyhead to launch more Dublin-France services.

Stena Line, the biggest operator on Ireland-Britain routes, on Thursday night launched its brand-new Stena Embla on its maiden commercial voyage from Rosslare to Cherbourg in northwest France. The 41,700-ton vessel, which arrived this month from China, was supposed to serve the Belfast-Liverpool route.

Paul Grant, the Irish Sea trade director for Stena Line, said Embla was being shifted from a U.K. route to an all-EU one because of “short-term market distortion.” He said Stena Line was determined “to respond to market and customer demands rapidly.”

Stena Line said its cargo traffic this month versus a year ago is 26 percent lower on the Belfast-Liverpool route and down a staggering 70 percent on Dublin-Holyhead.

Rosslare Europort manager Glenn Carr said the southeast Ireland facility was experiencing “unprecedented demand for capacity directly to and from the Continent.”

Irish Ferries last week pulled its newest ship, the W.B. Yeats, from Dublin-Holyhead, the essential route for commerce with Britain — switching to the Dublin-Cherbourg route three months ahead of schedule.

ListeningQuietly · 18/01/2021 21:48

Mathanxiety
That does not surprise me at all.

Dublin is very congested and every vehicle has to get through the tunnel and the like.
Rosslare is easy to get to with the upgraded EU funded roads

The Land Bridge was the golden egg
Brexit may have killed the goose
for Holyhead, Pembroke, Sheerness, Ramsgate and the freight boats on the Dover route (which are too small for the longer routes)

Interesting times

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2021 22:16

@Mistigri

As for Lord Sumption. I mean I know a lot of people actually do believe that some lives are worth less than others (including quite a lot of people on this site actually) but actually SAYING IT OUT LOUD during an appearance on NATIONAL TELEVISION?!!!????

Jesus fucking christ do these people ever have a normal conversation with a normal person?!

Lord Sumprion proving that actually Supreme Court Judges are not (were not) liberal lefties in spectacular fashion.

(Lord Sumption was one of the judges who ruled that A50 must be triggered by Parliament and was dubbed an enemy of the people for the privilege of doing so).

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