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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Mistigri · 18/01/2021 22:19

I know RTB ... but I still find it incredible that someone with even a slim connection to reality would say something like that on television. Plus this is someone who is accustomed to weighing his words.

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2021 22:20

Hes retired. He no longer has to be measured in what he says. He possibly is making up for years of keeping his own council.

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Sostenueto · 18/01/2021 22:53

The EU are wise to delay ratification. Until it's ratified it may be more difficult for Johnson to break it

He hinted at breaking it an evoking article 16 at the liason commitee meeting last week.

Sostenueto · 18/01/2021 23:03

Listening to debate on Universal Credit I was waiting for the moment one of the Tories was gonna say ' let them eat cake' Shock

mathanxiety · 18/01/2021 23:04

...if someone has already decided that Brexit is 'bad' and they want to leave the country because of it, then every new process is going to seem like a major irritation rather than a minor one

@Clavinova, did the wine merchant say he had already decided that Brexit was bad and that he wanted to leave the country because of it?

Or did he say he had sensibly anticipated a shaky start to the new customs regime and associated logistical problems, but had taken all the precautions he had been advised to take, or had figured out for himself?
Only to find there was a work around that would ease his workload considerably but at the cost of £2k and with a waiting list of several months before he could acquire the software?

This government have cocked up Brexit from day one.
Where in this statement is there an indication that he was opposed to Brexit? It seems to me that he had expected some sort of coherent plan. The cheek of him, questioning his Tory betters.

But I am now 100% sure that choice will reduce dramatically, price will increase dramatically, delays with increase dramatically and the U.K. wide depression is inevitable, and still the government couldn't give a toss. 23/26
It's why I will leave this country next year once my kids have finished there education..."

Also, I would also like to know what your definition of a minor irritation is.

Sostenueto · 18/01/2021 23:05

DD had her jab today ( Oxford one) she's a carer. No side effects so good! I have a loooong wait.

mathanxiety · 18/01/2021 23:08

Remind me again which party the politician belonged to who uttered the immortal words, 'Fuck business'?

Peregrina · 18/01/2021 23:11

He hinted at breaking it an evoking article 16 at the liason commitee meeting last week.

Can someone evoke an article of a treaty which hasn't passed?

Jason118 · 18/01/2021 23:14

Can someone evoke an article of a treaty which hasn't passed?
Hence my point up thread Smile

mathanxiety · 18/01/2021 23:37

Did you notice that 8 countries in the top 10 of your list (highest Covid death rate per 1m people current 7-day average - excluding Monaco and Andorra) are members of the European Union? And 14 member states in the top 20 countries with the current highest death rate. What could the European Union have done better in your opinion?

@Clavinova
The EU probably couldn't have done any more than it has done, thanks to individual national sovereignty, the freedom of each member state to formulate its own response and to implement its own policies. The stuff Brexiteers claimed couldn't be done within the EU, in other words.

BoreOfWhabylon · 19/01/2021 01:19

pmk

Mistigri · 19/01/2021 08:14

Now the NY Times is reporting on upcoming Brexit fun and games in the chemicals industry (my industry).

Oh well, didn't they say "We've had enough of exports"?

borntobequiet · 19/01/2021 08:38

Thanks for the heads up on the NYT article, Misti, I’d have missed it otherwise. The NYT reporting on Brexit has been consistently good. I’m pasting a link here because a) it’s a good article and b) the name of the unfortunate company resonates with a running theme of recent threads.
www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/business/brexit-chemical-industry-uk.html

borntobequiet · 19/01/2021 08:39

Forgot
We've had enough of exports Grin

borntobequiet · 19/01/2021 09:11

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55664039

Will the UK really refuse trade deals over human rights?

Beeb just reported this in a sly way, slipped in at the end of the news. Apparently some Tory MPs rebelling over it. Is it of any real political importance?

prettybird · 19/01/2021 09:47

@borntobequiet

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55664039

Will the UK really refuse trade deals over human rights?

Beeb just reported this in a sly way, slipped in at the end of the news. Apparently some Tory MPs rebelling over it. Is it of any real political importance?

Ds has been helping with the campaign for this. He held his nose and part of the message that he proposed to the campaign that they use was "now that we are no longer part of the EU we can show world leadership and demonstrate that we are not prepared to tolerate genocide".

He is extremely pissed off at Raab for refusing to call it genocide (saying that there wasn't enough evidence Hmm) when all the experts presenting to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee said by all the internationally agreed definitions, it was genocide HmmConfusedAngrySad

I know, I know, bloody experts, who needs them? Wink

jasjas1973 · 19/01/2021 09:51

Did you notice that 8 countries in the top 10 of your list (highest Covid death rate per 1m people current 7-day average - excluding Monaco and Andorra) are members of the European Union? And 14 member states in the top 20 countries with the current highest death rate. What could the European Union have done better in your opinion?

EU isn't a country and can't tell its members what to do.

We have left, focus on the UK and perhaps tell us why we have the highest death toll now in the world and what we could have done differently.... in your opinion?

borntobequiet · 19/01/2021 10:27

Thanks prettybird

I suppose I was really after is it a problem for the Johnson government politically, if Tory MPs rebel? I mean, it would be rather gratifying if a rare moral dimension of Brexit were to come back to bite him.

DGRossetti · 19/01/2021 10:48

@borntobequiet

Thanks prettybird

I suppose I was really after is it a problem for the Johnson government politically, if Tory MPs rebel? I mean, it would be rather gratifying if a rare moral dimension of Brexit were to come back to bite him.

There is no moral dimension to Brexit whatsoever. It's corrupt and immoral at it's core. It's a bunch of rich white men who decided to make everyone else in their country poorer for generations (and we know how poverty is more genetic than eye colour).

Sorry, but you tell me there's a moral dimension to Brexit, and I say stop sniffing glue.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2021 10:53

This morning's Zoom lesson.

Teacher: "And this is Ireland. Ireland is in the United Kingdom"

twitch twitch

Angry
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mrslaughan · 19/01/2021 10:59

@red - reminds me of a friend who went and looked at a nursery at a posh private school and the teacher proudly showed them a project that they had been doing with the kids about India.... among the famous people who came from there - Imran Khan was listed......

HesterThrale · 19/01/2021 11:09

Unforeseen and very sad circumstances.
Or, could it have been foreseen if government had done the proper preparation? I do remember this being flagged up a while back.

Six year old's vital medication runs out because of Brexit changes.

www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

DGRossetti · 19/01/2021 11:24

[quote HesterThrale]Unforeseen and very sad circumstances.
Or, could it have been foreseen if government had done the proper preparation? I do remember this being flagged up a while back.

Six year old's vital medication runs out because of Brexit changes.

www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes[/quote]
Do you know what country grows the worlds supply of medical marijuana ?

Yup. The UK. In Norfolk. It's British Sugars sideline and one of the reasons they lobby very hard in the dark to keep cannabis illegal in the UK.

mrslaughan · 19/01/2021 11:24

@HesterThrale
Collateral damage - her life is obviously one of those that is worth less......

I actually felt quite sick typing that - but that is essentially what it comes down too....

borntobequiet · 19/01/2021 11:54

Sorry, but you tell me there's a moral dimension to Brexit, and I say stop sniffing glue

I wasn’t telling anyone anything. I was asking a question. Is this likely to be a real problem for Johnson? Because if so, good.