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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Sostenueto · 18/01/2021 12:48

Definately HappyWinter how long to paint Forth Bridge?😁

Peregrina · 18/01/2021 12:51

Manchester - Holyhead electrification - should have been done 20 - 30 years ago. Correction ought to have been done 55 - 60 years ago, at the time when the West Coast mainline was electrified.

Peregrina · 18/01/2021 12:52

I believe they have stopped the continual painting of the Forth Bridge with a new type of paint which lasts longer.

Peregrina · 18/01/2021 12:53

What is my argument?

You said it Clavinova - no arguments, just wodges of cut and paste mostly about things you appear not to have a clue about.

QueenOfThorns · 18/01/2021 12:55

[quote mrslaughan]@QueenOfThorns - the scientific community are trying to make as much noise as possible about the risks in this governments polices re vaccination program. The fact they are using the language that you are "vaccinated" after one dose (not true), Raab saying there was no guarantees you would get your second dose (one of the Sunday morning shows yesterday) - it's just like Brexit - the half wits are setting the narrative are reported in the press as gospel, and the people who are trying to raise the alarm are ignored.
They still are not really sure what the vaccine gives us - will stop severe Covid and dying- but dose it stop transmission? Does it stop long Covid?
The Astra Zeneca vaccine there is apparently some data about delaying the 2nd dose - the Pfizer none.

Peregrina- if you get offered it again at short notice - take it. Against policy some GP surgeries , are ringing around patients who can get in quickly when they have doses left over (people not turning up) so it isn't wasted. [/quote]
@mrslaughan I’m not sure what I did to deserve this lecture. I was just objecting to the dangerous bullshit about there being ‘no immunity’ after 1 dose. That’s nonsense, and I’ve read the primary manuscript for the Pfizer one. The problem is that everyone had 2 doses, so the data don’t show what happens over time after just 1.

Anyway, I was really happy about the numbers being vaccinated, but I’m starting to get concerned about the second doses. This lot are going to fuck it up, aren’t they? Get everyone one dose and not bother with the second, then we’re all probably screwed Angry

Clavinova · 18/01/2021 12:58

ListeningQuietly
Your extract gave the impression that you think Brexit and Johnson will lead to levelling up but when it is then an article about trains under the Irish Sea ...

I was posting about the proposal for an Irish Sea tunnel as an interesting diversion to the posts about Northern Ireland/the landbridge.

Look at a map !!!!

Why?

52andblue · 18/01/2021 12:58

Glad to see a DR Collins& Son lorry right outside Parliament.
Appalling waste of an important industry which exports high quality foodstuffs to the EU. Shortsighted shellfish idiotic Govt !!!

TheElementsOfMedical · 18/01/2021 13:01

🐿Grin diversion Grin🐿

mrslaughan · 18/01/2021 13:08

Sorry @queens

I am just as a layperson - who is probably following scientists too closely " the language around the vaccination program - probably shouldn't have tagged you - but I am really worried we are going to fuck it up..... just as our not herd immunity, but really managed herd immunity strategy, created the perfect environment for the virus to mutate....

Someone asked about numbers who have received both - I think yesterday it was birth of 300k - so roughly 10%?

Peregrina · 18/01/2021 13:11

Are those Scottish lorries outside Downing Street? Who will get the blame?

HannibalHayes · 18/01/2021 13:20

@Clavinova

ListeningQuietly you did not really think that article would help your argument did you?

What is my argument?

Be nice if you made one occasionally.

Preferably not just about someone having a forrin name...

borntobequiet · 18/01/2021 13:32

What is my argument?
A rather tiresome poster on another thread on here said that she shouldn’t be accused of spreading misinformation because she hadn’t actually posted any information.

HappyWinter · 18/01/2021 13:34

Sostenueto As soon as they finished painting the Forth Bridge, they had to start again, until they got the new paint that Peregrina mentioned.

QueenofThorns I'd love to think that they won't fuck up the vaccine rollout, but they do have form for not managing a crisis well.

borntobequiet · 18/01/2021 13:38

I find it difficult to credit this Government for anything, but on the whole I think the vaccine procurement/rollout has been handled pretty well - not perfect but compared to much else, exemplary.

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 13:39

@borntobequiet

Irish Sea tunnel for trains

I once read a story that featured a bridge to the moon. Just because you can say the words doesn’t mean it’s feasible in real life.

Space elevator, anyone ?
FrankieStein402 · 18/01/2021 13:51

Re the concerns about the government f*cking this up - me too - but it does seem they are keeping out of the way and leaving it to the teams who know what they are doing.

If you haven't listened to the R4 series "How to vaccinate the world" I really recommend it:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000py6s

The last two programmes very much covered the sort of concerns expressed here recently - these programmes also had more focus on the UK than some of the earlier programmes.

borntobequiet · 18/01/2021 13:55

Space elevator, anyone ?
No it wasn’t even something vaguely sensible like that. It was a children’s story I think. I was so pleased when my kids learned to read independently so I didn’t have to read rubbish to them. Having said that, kids’ books were OK in the 80s. The stuff my grandchildren read is utter dross, especially Winnie the bloody Witch.

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 14:03

onestagetospace.com/2018/10/11/will-brexit-or-brexigeddon-lead-to-the-construction-of-an-irish-french-hyperloop-tunnel-restoring-exports

If we permit ourselves to daydream, would it, for instance, be possible to build a direct tunnel between the shores of Ireland and France?

Eurotunnel bis Grin

(contd)

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 14:04

@DGRossetti

onestagetospace.com/2018/10/11/will-brexit-or-brexigeddon-lead-to-the-construction-of-an-irish-french-hyperloop-tunnel-restoring-exports

If we permit ourselves to daydream, would it, for instance, be possible to build a direct tunnel between the shores of Ireland and France?

Eurotunnel bis Grin

(contd)

Which naturally leads to:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_European_Enclosure_Dam

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 14:12

Oddly UK-lite headline ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55700312

Alexei Navalny: EU and US demand release of poisoned Putin critic
...
it's not until the 11th paragraph you hit:

UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab described Mr Navalny's arrest as "appalling".

(contd)

Curious, said Alice.

jasjas1973 · 18/01/2021 14:21

Raab has called for his immediate release, the BBC just didn't report this.
The UK foreign secretary said: "It is appalling that Alexei Navalny, the victim of a despicable crime, has been detained by Russian authorities. He must be immediately released

"Rather than persecuting Mr Navalny, Russia should explain how a chemical weapon came to be used on Russian soil."

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 14:25

@jasjas1973

Raab has called for his immediate release, the BBC just didn't report this. The UK foreign secretary said: "It is appalling that Alexei Navalny, the victim of a despicable crime, has been detained by Russian authorities. He must be immediately released

"Rather than persecuting Mr Navalny, Russia should explain how a chemical weapon came to be used on Russian soil."

the BBC just didn't report this.

That was rather my point. It's an oddly composited story. Why does a UK-centric site push the details of what the UK are up to below that of two other political blocs ?

Feels odd, that's all.

prettybird · 18/01/2021 14:34

Re the 1st jab versus the "being properly vaccinated after 2 jags" story, to be fair on Raab yes, I did just say that Wink, he did say on the various news programmes yesterday that it was the government's intention to bring forward the programme for the first injection of the vaccination, with the international that all adults would've had it by September.

It was the media that then irresponsibly reported it with the headline that every adult was to be vaccinated by September.

I was told to wash my mouth out with soap by dh for uttering the words, "To be fair on Dominic Raab" Grin

QueenOfThorns · 18/01/2021 14:38

@borntobequiet

I find it difficult to credit this Government for anything, but on the whole I think the vaccine procurement/rollout has been handled pretty well - not perfect but compared to much else, exemplary.
It does look good so far, but the fixation with the numbers given their first dose is so conspicuous. Starting to administer second doses will slow down the rate at which that number goes up, so I fear they won’t do it.
ListeningQuietly · 18/01/2021 14:49

My mother has had her first dose and now is counting down the days till she is safe to mingle.
2nd dose is not on her radar .....