Question for Leave voters who've changed their minds about Brexit.

[Kendodd]

Before I start, I know, hardly any have, even that eel bloke still supports Brexit. But for the tiny percentage who have -

Why did you change your mind?
Are you angry at all with the people who sold you Brexit?

I know lots of Leave voters are very angry about how its turning out, but they all seem to be angry with the EU for not doing what brexiteer politicians said the EU would do. Even the DUP still supports Brexit.

I knew Leave voters who've changed their minds were thin on the ground, I have heard that there are some though. I didn't want to pick a fight, you are such a rare beast, I just wanted to know what caused you to change your mind.

Ok, nobody. I have a try somewhere else.

I didn't want to pick a fight

Really?

@Andante57

Why would I want to pick a fight with somebody who was on my side?

Thought I'd give this thread another bump?

I voted for Brexit, the last few months I started to regret voting for it, then today happend, and I remembered why I voted and now dont regret it

I voted remain and after today’s stunt by the EU I am sorry I didn’t vote leave.

I voted leave, wobbled a bit later but am now sure I was right. The EU has phucked this one right up.

Fucked up and backed down before any more damage is done. Being a fucking idiot is an international disease and not a special English thing.

So actually none of the people replying so far have even attempted to answer the OP's question.

I wish I could OP but I can't either. I can't because I still believe remain would have been the right choice for the UK. I am very disappointed at the EU's behaviour over vaccines in recent days, As far as I can see from the information published, they are wrong about the AZ contract, and their behaviour about it has been awful. However, this doesn't change the fundamental aspects of the choice about Brexit regarding employment standards, climate standards, peace, diplomacy, cooperation, global political influence, security, defence, technology, data security, general trade without red tape and unneccessary costs, opportunities for our children, prosperity, food and energy security etc, etc.

I would love to hear any Brexiteer give a coherent argument on these wide-ranging issues as to why in each case being a tiny country in a world of large trade blocks will be beneficial for us long term, when almost all serious issues we face now can only be dealt with through harmonisation across countries. And why they think a country of 65m people will have any clout in a world of 7bn, it's delusional at best. But it's not as though it hasn't been asked before.

None of them have an answer. They seem to be seizing on this vaccine thing as if this one thing will negate all of the other effects of Brexit that will be felt by our children and grandchildren over the next few decades. It won't.

We could no doubt ploughed our own furrow with the vaccines and taken part in an EU wide strategy. It wasn't either / or. This vaccine nationalism is getting out of hand and doesn't bode well. We either all help each other or the logical conclusion is fortress Britain with covid and more serious mutations running rampant in poorer/less vaccinated countries.

With regard vaccines (separate issue to the question) the EU have fucked up terribly. However, I think the main issue is that they were just to slow off the mark and their regulators were too slow, now they're panicking. I think the principle of acting as one on covid is a good one. It would be awful if they had the scramble of PPE that we saw in the US with states competing against each other and prices rocketing as a result.

Lots of posters have put our success with vaccines down to us being nimble (true) but if each country acts on its own trying to secure a limited recourse the price escalates enormously and you have winning countries and losing countries. As a understand it we're paying massively more per vaccine than the EU are.

In short I think, the EU failed massively on vaccines but I don't think it was the principle of all acting together that was the problem, it was the execution.

Anyway, I digress.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I'd rather pay more and have something, than fiddle while Rome burns.

Kendodd, we are paying exactly the same for the vaccine as the EU.
The EU illegally published an unredacted copy of their contract with AZ...and withdrew it as soon as it was pointed out. It had the commercially sensitive prices still there and they are the seamen as the UK prices.

In my opinion, it does not really matter who voted for what nearly five years ago. It was a referendum so the government was not legally bound to do anything on the basis of the results.

Yet, even though it was little more than an opinion poll. and even though the margins were so small and divided the four nations of the UK, the government went ahead with the folly. What is more, it went on with the blatant lies.

Just before Christmas, the PM hailed a 'jumbo sized' trade deal that would allow this country to 'take back control of its destiny', whilst assuring that there would be no loss to British trade.

What a lie!

Unfortunately, the government has not governed and we will all pay the cost.

if each country acts on its own trying to secure a limited recourse the price escalates enormously

The Oxford/AZ vaccine is not for profit. The only variation in price, if any, would be due to different production costs in different countries.

Interesting podcast in the Guardian, the UK paid 1.7 billion the EU paid 1.8 billion for 10 times the population, he also says if we had gone with the EU scheme we would’ve had no say over the contracts, Brexit definitely helped with the quick rollout of the vaccine here.

www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2021/feb/03/how-eu-vaccine-effort-turned-into-a-crisis-podcast

The EU illegally published its unredacted contract with AZ but withdrew it after a few hours. It showed quite clearly that we paid the same as the EU for each dose of vaccine.
That is sloppy reporting by the Guardian but they will say anything to make the UK look bad about Brexit. Exactly the same yesterday about the article about bees.

@yellowspanner the Guardian isn’t saying we paid more for AZ vaccine but we’ve invested more in general.

Bailey, ok sorry, I misunderstood.

Anyway, were getting distracted by talking about about Brexit and how great or otherwise it is. As I said at the start, I was really interested in hearing from Leave voters who'd changed their minds and why that was. Just because this is such a rare occurrence. Even the DUP are still absolutely committed to Brexit and I don't see much evidence of even people in the fishing industry facing bankruptcy turning away from Brexit. That's why I'm interested what was it that changed minds? Maybe no response on this is because there really is hardly anyone so the chances of catching someone is so slim.

I dont know any who have changed their minds.

Well yes, exactly. Even people I know who have been directly and negatively impacted by Brexit haven't changed their minds, they just blame the EU and in two cases think FoM should just work one way.

Well as long as they are happy losing their jobs, then good luck to them.

I really don't think there are many out there today would say they had changed their mind from Leave to Remain. Plenty the other way.
There was a time when some Leavers were regretting it, particularly when May was PM and it was such a mess, and people felt it was all too much trouble and too difficult to extract ourselves from. Their reasons were I think more to do with the fact that the governmental chaos was such a downer rather than an actual change of fundamental view about what's right. They don't think it's a mess now. I'm afraid this little corner of mumsnet does not reflect the views of anyone in my real life, hence why it is so fascinating.