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Westministenders: Where's my milk and cheese?

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RedToothBrush · 06/01/2021 23:47

The 'smooth' exit from transition now leads to a million and one little things that you can't get hold of or took completely for granted.

Why is sainsbury in NI selling spa milk? Why can't you get hold of your favourite food stuff?

Its a slow strangulation of the country.

In which you get to learn all about the merits of the EU and what a donkey Johnson really is.

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RedToothBrush · 15/01/2021 08:54

Rob Powell @robpowellnews
"I'm last person you should be taking travel advice from" says Transport Secretary Grant Shapps when asked if people should be booking holidays for the summer.

(Shapps quarantined himself a day into his own Spanish holiday last yr).

Refreshingly honest... if a bit un-nerving.

We have the fisheries minister who didn't read the deal on fish. The foreign secretary who didn't know where dover is. And we now have the transport minister who thinks he is the last person to ask about transport.

Can't they all just admit they don't know their arse from their elbow and get some one who does know in instead?

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 15/01/2021 08:56

And for the first person who comes along with a What about Corbyn - he wouldn't have been proposing a bonfire of workers rights.

Well we'd perhaps expect the 'whatabout Corbyn' from traditional Tory supporters buts lets remember there will have been plenty of other folk that couldn't stomach JC either. The country now has a situation of inadequate lunchs for deprived school kids, the need for decent broadband and attacks on workers rights. The very issues, even Corbyn's strongest critics would have to admit he was very strong on.

This is more than Brexit and more than a Tory government. Time to ask how the country got here. Its been an 11 year journey. Is anybody here really suprized by any of this?

RedToothBrush · 15/01/2021 09:07

www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/brexit-red-tape-if-nothing-changes-ireland-will-be-closed-1.4458597?mode=amp
Brexit red tape: ‘If nothing changes, Ireland will be closed’
At Dublin Port corporate UK’s failure to prepare for Brexit is major part of delays

Ray Cole, transport director of Virginia International Logistics, had three lorries stuck at T11 for three days and another truck sitting at the port terminal for four days trying to get a regular load of car parts – “everything from windscreen wipers to headlights” – in from England.

“They wouldn’t let us leave the trailer there on its own, so we had to keep swapping drivers for it. There were eight drivers involved over the four days. There are no toilets, nothing,” he said.

And

Simon McKeever, chief executive of the Irish Exporters’ Association says that after an initial quiet period “last Wednesday the lights went on”. Members began contacting the association reporting difficulties on both sides of the Irish Sea.

Corporate UK’s failure to prepare for Brexit is a big part of the problem, according to McKeever. “They have no idea what’s required of them,” he says. “They believe that this is an Ireland-only problem, but they are going to see the same problems with the rest of the EU next week.

“They are not sure what level of information they should provide in the first place. There is very little coming in, most of the stoppage is that it’s stuck in warehouses in the UK, that’s because the UK entity does not know what it is supposed to be doing.”

And

“Goods that are of EU origin have come from the EU are no longer of EU origin if they move through the UK. They are no longer allowed EU or UK status. It is just crazy stuff,” said Cooke. He is fearful of what will happen when businesses increase freight volumes, currently at a fraction of previous levels; in pre-Brexit times, trade between Ireland and Britain was worth €1 billon a week.

“If nothing changes, the economy is going to be brought to its knees, Ireland will be totally closed,” he says.

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“The whole thing is snowballing,” McKeever warns. “When Irish exports really begin to pick up next week, there may be a shortage of trailers on the island as a whole.” At the same time, he says hauliers are telling him that they may be forced to bring back empty trailers. As those companies will not be able to afford the cost of bringing back empty trucks, they could be forced to pass on the extra expense.

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Last week, the owner of one affected business, who asked not to be named, received a letter from a British-based supplier saying it would now impose a £70 (€79) administration fee to cover customs declarations, made up of £35 at the exit port and £35 at entry. For the Republic, the same British company said it would seek £140, that is, £70 at both exit and entry. The firm added that the best solution was for customers in Ireland to organise shipping themselves.

A brexit opportunity. Get into customs declaration paperwork!

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OchonAgusOchonO · 15/01/2021 09:20

Last week, the owner of one affected business, who asked not to be named, received a letter from a British-based supplier saying it would now impose a £70 (€79) administration fee to cover customs declarations, made up of £35 at the exit port and £35 at entry. For the Republic, the same British company said it would seek £140, that is, £70 at both exit and entry. The firm added that the best solution was for customers in Ireland to organise shipping themselves.

Sounds like they don't want to export. I'm sure most of the Irish companies are looking for eu suppliers now. While some companies here were doing that, it was really difficult to plan when they had no idea of what the deal would look like.

Peregrina · 15/01/2021 09:22

Customs declaration work is probably one of the few opportunities.

I think it's a little unfair to blame Corporate UK for the problems - how many hauliers and others tried to warn the Government? How many of them said that they couldn't get ready with only a few hours notice?

The blame firmly attaches to Johnson and his Cabinet.

RedToothBrush · 15/01/2021 09:23

When i was 11 in 1992 i did a project on the single market and red tape. We went to a factory to see and everything.

An 11 year old can understand this stuff.

But not the Tory government.

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OchonAgusOchonO · 15/01/2021 09:36

I think it's a little unfair to blame Corporate UK for the problems

That is true. Except many UK companies have screwed their Irish customers for years by using extortionate exchange rates on their international sites. Dd wanted me to order something from asos before Christmas. It was £70 or €95. The exchange rate at the time was around €77. We were able to get around that by using parcel motel or addresspal where they shipped to a UK address and then on to Ireland for €3.50 extra.

That's not an option any more. Parcel motel have suspended operations. Addresspal have doubled their price and will also charge VAT etc which means taxes will be paid twice.

Peregrina · 15/01/2021 09:37

I'm sure most of the Irish companies are looking for eu suppliers now. While some companies here were doing that, it was really difficult to plan when they had no idea of what the deal would look like.

A lot of the Leave apologists come on these threads and declare that there is no problem whatever bringing a container load of stuff half way across the world. It's much better to do this than trade with your neighbours. The same applies to Ireland's neighbour - why not bypass it directly?

It would be interesting to see the relative costings pertaining to shipping direct to Ireland from say Rotterdam allowing for a longer transit time, and shipping via the UK adding in the customs dues. Will it still be cheaper to bear the £140 customs costs? I am quite sure that business people are capable of doing this arithmetic. Unlike Gove, they don't see any need for red tape to make their businesses 'match fit'.

mrslaughan · 15/01/2021 09:46

Has this been shared - no wonder none of the truckers want to come.....

twitter.com/torynski/status/1349784018628259841?s=21

OchonAgusOchonO · 15/01/2021 09:46

It would be interesting to see the relative costings pertaining to shipping direct to Ireland from say Rotterdam allowing for a longer transit time, and shipping via the UK adding in the customs dues. Will it still be cheaper to bear the £140 customs costs? I am quite sure that business people are capable of doing this arithmetic. Unlike Gove, they don't see any need for red tape to make their businesses 'match fit'.

That, I don't know, but the direct route from Rosslare seems to be going well, although that is mainly those skipping the landbridge. At the moment, even if it's technically cheaper to buy from the UK, the delays at the UK end make the EU option more appealing.

I'm generally going to EU rather than UK sites at the moment. I did, however, buy one thing from the UK last week. It's stuck at FedEx export base for over a week. Normally I would have had it by last Monday.

Obviously not that simple for a company to just change suppliers though.

Peregrina · 15/01/2021 09:49

Obviously not that simple for a company to just change suppliers though.

I think this will happen more and more though. When BigChoc used to come on these threads she would tell us about German firms who used to use UK suppliers but had already started to eliminate them from the purchasing chain, in favour of EU suppliers.

Whenwillow · 15/01/2021 09:58

That's sad @mrslaughan
What have we become? Sad

mrslaughan · 15/01/2021 10:05

Re grant shapes comment - why don't the bloody government say don't travel.

One of DH team is stuck in Chile - my comment was WTF was she doing going to Chile at the moment. I have zero sympathy..... and wouldn't be cutting any slack with work.

Re Steve Baker - thought this was a funny take on it

twitter.com/dmitryopines/status/1350007813041483778?s=21

On breaching the treaty (would that be a record?) by putting workers rights on the bonfire- DH rather bitter comment last night - well it does really matter - as they have made it so fucking hard to trade - the haulage companies are making that decision for us.....

The fish jokes - brilliant- seriously brightened my day

OchonAgusOchonO · 15/01/2021 10:06

I think this will happen more and more though. When BigChoc used to come on these threads she would tell us about German firms who used to use UK suppliers but had already started to eliminate them from the purchasing chain, in favour of EU suppliers.

It's happening already in Ireland but geographically, it's easier for German companies than Irish companies. Transport costs and logistics make the comparative analysis more complicated.

DGRossetti · 15/01/2021 10:10

@RedToothBrush

Question: How do you measure the happiness of fish? Is there a fish happiness scale?

gets coat

Good for the sole ?
DGRossetti · 15/01/2021 10:37

From the previous link (posted too soon)

Exports to the EU will plunge by more than one-third because of Boris Johnson’s hard Brexit trade deal, a new study predicts.

Total UK trade will nosedive by 13 per cent, according to the London School of Economics (LSE) analysis, making a mockery of the government’s claims of a buccaneering “Global Britain” outside the bloc.

And Britons will feel the pain in their wallets and purses, with income-per-head forecast to fall by 6 per cent – just 2 per cent less than if there had been a no-deal Brexit.

(contd)

then: no money back, no guarantee (no income tax, no VAT ....)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-michel-barnier-fisheries-red-tape-b1787241.html

New regulatory frictions causing disruption to trade with the EU are an “obvious and inevitable” consequence of Brexit and can be expected to be permanent, Brussels’ former chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said.

While some “glitches, problems and breakdowns” caused by the introduction of new paperwork could be expected to be cleared up in the coming weeks and months, other things have “changed for good” as a result of the UK’s decision to leave the EU, said Mr Barnier.

And he indicated that the UK will not be able to rewrite structural changes that have led to checks on agricultural exports and the confiscation of lorry drivers’ packed lunches, telling the Financial Times: “This agreement will not be renegotiated, it now needs to be implemented.”

(contd)

I suspect from that last line that Boris and the boys have already decided they are going to renege on the deal before April. Which is why all of a sudden Boris is the man for the job with no distractions of leadership challenges. The Tories just can't afford to waste another leader only to be ousted in another 6 months.

BlackeyedSusan · 15/01/2021 10:39

Oh pollocks. Halibut in and delurk to say I sea what you're trying to do, but this is not the time nor the plaice for fish jokes.
There are more important things to discuss while you flounder about thinking up puns, (oops Blush ) so I'll clam up and return to lurking

Ps the minnow joke was brill!

OchonAgusOchonO · 15/01/2021 11:08

[quote DGRossetti]www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/scottish-fishermen-flee-uk-waters-for-denmark-to-avoid-brexit-hassle/15/01/[/quote]
I don't understand how that works. Surely, if they are British boats, they can't just land at Danish ports. Are they planning of re-registering the boats or something? Ownership would be an issue then though.

OchonAgusOchonO · 15/01/2021 11:11

@DGRossetti

From the previous link (posted too soon)

Exports to the EU will plunge by more than one-third because of Boris Johnson’s hard Brexit trade deal, a new study predicts.

Total UK trade will nosedive by 13 per cent, according to the London School of Economics (LSE) analysis, making a mockery of the government’s claims of a buccaneering “Global Britain” outside the bloc.

And Britons will feel the pain in their wallets and purses, with income-per-head forecast to fall by 6 per cent – just 2 per cent less than if there had been a no-deal Brexit.

(contd)

then: no money back, no guarantee (no income tax, no VAT ....)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-michel-barnier-fisheries-red-tape-b1787241.html

New regulatory frictions causing disruption to trade with the EU are an “obvious and inevitable” consequence of Brexit and can be expected to be permanent, Brussels’ former chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said.

While some “glitches, problems and breakdowns” caused by the introduction of new paperwork could be expected to be cleared up in the coming weeks and months, other things have “changed for good” as a result of the UK’s decision to leave the EU, said Mr Barnier.

And he indicated that the UK will not be able to rewrite structural changes that have led to checks on agricultural exports and the confiscation of lorry drivers’ packed lunches, telling the Financial Times: “This agreement will not be renegotiated, it now needs to be implemented.”

(contd)

I suspect from that last line that Boris and the boys have already decided they are going to renege on the deal before April. Which is why all of a sudden Boris is the man for the job with no distractions of leadership challenges. The Tories just can't afford to waste another leader only to be ousted in another 6 months.

Michel is playing hardball now Grin. The poor man went through torture getting to the deal. You can't blame him for telling them where to go.
DGRossetti · 15/01/2021 11:15

Michel is playing hardball now grin. The poor man went through torture getting to the deal. You can't blame him for telling them where to go.

I notice he is now former chief negotiator ...

But he's right. The UK signed. The UK can now damn well fucking comply.

Something will break. It's now when, not if.

OchonAgusOchonO · 15/01/2021 11:24

I notice he is now former chief negotiator ...

I suspect he had his resignation as negotiator in by christmas day. That poor man deserves a medal. Anyone else would have either ended up in a mental institution or prison. Although I'm not sure any jury would have convicted him of GBH or worse.

OchonAgusOchonO · 15/01/2021 11:26

Something will break. It's now when, not if.

I suspect the first thing to break will be the NIP. They will use the excuse of invoking article 16. Of course, they haven't actually read it so they will "invoke" it by breaking it.

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