Westministenders: Where's my milk and cheese?

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The 'smooth' exit from transition now leads to a million and one little things that you can't get hold of or took completely for granted.

Why is sainsbury in NI selling spa milk? Why can't you get hold of your favourite food stuff?

Its a slow strangulation of the country.

In which you get to learn all about the merits of the EU and what a donkey Johnson really is.

With Starmer I agree. He has to have a two pronged approach - say what is wrong but emphasise what to do to put it right. In this he needs to learn from the 1945 Labour Government - they didn't need to itemise the 1930s failures, people knew about those: they had a vision for the future which they could promote.

Another effect of Brexit from an American Railway magazine. So a more dispassionate review than a UK source might give.

@Peregrina

Another effect of Brexit from an American Railway magazine. So a more dispassionate review than a UK source might give.

LONDON — The impact of the United Kingdom’s exit from the European Union is only now becoming apparent to British passenger and freight rail operations, with freight traffic delayed and the Eurostar passenger operation, in particular, facing severe challenges

I think there needs to be a Clav scale pushback on a lot of this so called "reporting" because it's still peddling a Brexiteer agenda.

The stories need to be "as predicted years before it happened" and then a story about what sector is suffering in line with the broad warnings from after A50 was triggered.

Every.
Single.
Time.

Otherwise we are watching history being rewritten.

(at school 2050) What went wrong with Brexit ? - class goes to online archives and find loads of stories about what happened after the event

But did nobody think before ? Surely they must have known ?

No class. Sorry. The failure was entirely unforeseen ...

@SwedishEdith

From the bit I heard, I thought that she must have a sign in front of her saying "Remember to pronounce the g".

I presume this has been posted

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55617849

The last few weeks have seen a frenetic period of adjustment, and change, with people leaving Spain for good, and others replacing them before the rules for residency changed.

"Our removal companies have never been busier. Every removal company across this coast has told our team they've never seen a situation like this," says Michel Euesden from Rochdale. She runs the Euro Weekly newspaper in Fuengirola, a paper that provides news for Brits living here.

"It's the first time in 25 years since we started the paper here that we've seen removal companies fully booked going out and coming back in.

"They are taking the elderly and people who haven't had jobs for a while, because of the Covid situation, back to the UK, and then they're bringing back younger generations with disposable income, and often with an online marketing presence (so who pay tax), out here. So the dynamics have completely changed."

Big win for Spain.

One big issue with British residents in Spain is that many never registered as residents. Real estimates say that the Brit community is probably closer to a million than the 350,000 officially registered, most older people who were afraid that registering as residents in Spain meant having to give up their entitlements as British residents in the UK. These are the older people going back as on 1st of January they are simply put, illegal in Spain.

It's always amazed me that the British press never touched the issue when we are talking about potentially hundred of thousands of older, vulnerable people being left in the lurch. For Spain is good news, they were a drag on resources as Spain could never recoup any money from the British goverment as they were still residents of the UK. For them though is bloody awful.

Oh dear Deadwood Redwood is not happy with the lack of free movement of goods between GB and NI. Now remind me who scuppered May's deal which would have provided a 'backstop' and kept the whole of the UK in the CU?

For Spain is good news, they were a drag on resources as Spain could never recoup any money from the British goverment as they were still residents of the UK. For them though is bloody awful.

It's difficult to have more than limited sympathy for people who were quite happy to live in a country illegally, so that they could gain the benefit of both systems. It's not as though they were in Spain because they were refugees fleeing for their lives.

I have more sympathy for older vulnerable people in this country who are let down because Governments have pursued austerity projects.

@Peregrina

Oh dear Deadwood Redwood is not happy with the lack of free movement of goods between GB and NI. Now remind me who scuppered May's deal which would have provided a 'backstop' and kept the whole of the UK in the CU?

So less than 2 weeks in, and one of the High Priests of Brexit want's it reversed.

That must be a record, surely ? Beating the previous record of 10 months held by Boris.

Are we allowed to called Brexiteers thick and stupid now, please ?

In an email conversation with a former poster of this parish, he asked my where are the lorry queues?
so I had a look.

Prior to Brexit, 10,000 lorries a day used the Dover / Folkestone / Ramsgate crossings
(5000 each way)

Of those, around 800 a day each way were part of the Ireland land bridge
a fair chunk of whom are now using the big direct to France ferries that do not involve two lots of customs clearance
and the route change is crippling Holyhead and Pembroke

Prior to 31st December, UK retailers, wholesalers, manufacturers and speculators brought in MASSES of stock
which is piled up in every warehouse in the country
and many manufacturers are delaying their January restarts
which is reducing the number of trucks each way

Many companies have suspended deliveries to and from the UK
while the paperwork settles down

Many self employed drivers are playing wait and see before coming to the UK, increasing load costs.

So at the moment its looking like around 2000 trucks a day each way through the channel ports
and almost no passenger traffic

In the short term, its a good thing as Kent is not congested

In the long term its a Very Bad Thing as the overall level of economic activity in the UK will be suppressed by incremental pressures in all directions.

Another Brexit bonus Simon Rattle is leaving.

@Peregrina

Another Brexit bonus Simon Rattle is leaving.

TBH that was known about three four years ago when he could not get his vanity project concert hall funded gotta love Private Eye

It's not as though they were in Spain because they were refugees fleeing for their lives.

Touching again on why FOM is there to start with.

It's telling the two countries that suffered least out of WW2 - the U Ks and Ss - have such differing views to "Europe" now.

I'm sure we'll see some weaselly actions of people sneaking things under the wire "Because Brexit". Although given the official approved news has to be Brexit: It's Bloody Brilliant there should be an easy pushback on those.

However it does suggest a future where the next 30 years will be "Bloody Brexit" instead of "Bloody Brussels". Which is a small crumb of ironic comfort.

Spain though did have a gruelling Civil War which even now causes bitter divisions between families.

But even before FoM British Criminals used to hole up on the Costa del Crime.

@Peregrina

Spain though did have a gruelling Civil War which even now causes bitter divisions between families.

But even before FoM British Criminals used to hole up on the Costa del Crime.

My Godfathers family were expelled by Franco. His Mum and Aunt were qualified lawyers, and Basque to boot.

TBH that was known about three four years ago when he could not get his vanity project concert hall funded gotta love Private Eye

The public won't necessarily know that. Juxtaposed with Brexit, it will look as though it's to do with Johnson's Government being petty minded over musicians' visas.

It's often not what is true which matters, but what people believe to be true. (As with Brexit and the £350 million a week for the NHS.)

www.indy100.com/news/brexit-expat-spain-eu-uk-b1785980

British expats who voted for Brexit become laughing stock after furiously moaning about the consequences

hazmerreír is a word we can all add to our thesauruses, I believe.

The older generation are not coming out of this well (with respect to those older who did vote remain for their grandchildren).
It will continue to go less well as those of us who follow and already work harder for less have to shoulder even more of the burden of their entitlement.

MayYouLive
My UK parent did not vote for Brexit.
But they did vote Tory in 2019
which stopped a sensible Brexit in its tracks.

I and my siblings and our children definitely judge on that basis

These are the older people going back as on 1st of January they are simply put, illegal in Spain.

I suspect they're not all going back yet and thinking they can live under the radar for longer. We stayed at a house in SW France with a pool. The pool cleaners were English - cleaned pools in France in the summer and moved back to Spain for the winter. I wonder what they'll do? I've talked about this before but that particular village/area was full of English cleaning holiday homes etc with FB pages saying "Nah, they need us" etc.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/theresa-may-speech-6897830

...
May sounded a warning over the future of the Union, adding: “The United Kingdom has a seat on the Security Council of the United Nations. I doubt that England would have a seat on the Security Council of the United Nations.”
...

I’m afraid I have been too influenced by the EU. I’m horrified at the idea that some eu citizens thought it was ok to go and live in a country wo registering nor paying taxes there.
Talk about illegal immigration and sponging off your host country! How dare they!!

And no I’m afraid they somehow deserve to be in the situation they are in

This is extremely serious:

From Germany: "Schenker AG, the logistics subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn with 76,000 employees and a presence in 130 countries, will currently no longer accept goods for transport to the UK."

Problem with all those elderly that used to use the Spanish system under EHIC is that they are going to clog an already stretched out system.
1 million of them is a lot

The pool cleaners were English - cleaned pools in France in the summer and moved back to Spain for the winter. I wonder what they'll do?

They will probably be able to stay under the radar for quite some time, as long as they stay withing Schengen.

They will probably be able to stay under the radar for quite some time, as long as they stay withing Schengen.

Not if they need healthcare.

Tbh I am always disappointed about the poor quality of discussion about the British in Europe on here.

The leave vote among expats was massively overhyped by news programmes deliberately seeking out a particular type of expat - the people they talked to were often not expats at all, but sunbirds who remained resident in the U.K.

It seems there are far fewer Britons actually resident in Spain than earlier figures - 300,000 or so rather than a million. It might actually turn out that there are more Britons resident in France than in Spain. And I would put a large sum of money on a majority of those French and Spanish residents having voted remain (or not at all, due to disenfranchisement and the inability of U.K. councils to send out postal voting papers on time).

I know quite a few Brits in France - some of them on the surface very much in the leave demographic - but I have yet to come across a single one who voted for this shitshow.