So, how long will it be before we join again?

[BlackForestCake]

Will you be supporting the campaign to join the EU?

It will be good for business to do away with a lot of pointless red tape at customs, and our people will benefit from being able to travel, study and work in 28 countries.

Never i think the eu will fall apart with other countries opting to leave years down the line.

Also people need to fuck off with the histronics of their kids futures been robbed and they hate their grandparents. What you really fucking mean is it might cost you slightly more to go on holiday. Ffs.

Never hopefully

No, I don't mean that Shaniac. At all.

@Mistigri

She has already been contacted in the last couple of weeks to be warned they may not be able to get her a work visa.

She's protected by the withdrawal agreement and doesn't need a visa. But future arrivals will need one, and their employers may need to show that there is no EEA candidate for the job.

Yes, for now. But she is working under a contract that finishes in a few months. The problem is getting a visa for a contract renewal - same job, same company. As it stands, the job is generally available to EU citizens only.

Never.

Yes, for now. But she is working under a contract that finishes in a few months. The problem is getting a visa for a contract renewal - same job, same company. As it stands, the job is generally available to EU citizens only.

She does NOT need a visa. It's possible that her particular job is reserved for EU citizens (I can think of a few jobs in this category, mainly civil servant type roles) but her right to stay and work in other jobs is preserved under the withdrawal agreement.

Tippexy

Er, you do know that your grandchildren can still live, love, learn and work in various European cities, yes?! Just as they can live, love, learn and work in pretty much every city around the world?

Ffs are people really that thick? Four years on and you still have no fucking clue. For a great many of our children (my money would be on most) those doors are CLOSED. Unless they have some fancy qualifications or very specific, shortage skills, no they can't just go and live were they want. The council estate kid, from a failing schools, with no money will NEVER have the opportunities I had, from the same background, to live and work in the EU. We have taken those opportunities away from the poor and ordinary.

What you really fucking mean blah blah blah

No, it’s probably got far more to do with not wanting to be stuck with a bunch of angry, insular, flag waving little englanders. Dunno, maybe ask them yourself once you’ve calmed down a bit?

@WorriedMutha

I think we will move towards a Brino by stealth. Most people aren't interested in the detail and the Government will just maintain alignment with the EU to buy in to the benefits. Boris knows Brexit is a crock of shit. Watch what happens with fish at the end of the 5 year agreement. We won't be allowed to rejoin without taking the punishment beating that we've got coming to us (deservedly so). And I agree with those that think that Scotland will win independence and Ireland will reunify. The republic are offering Erasmus and EHICs to the North which I perceive to be a charm offensive. Starmer is gearing towards offering Scotland devolution max to form a pact. Maybe they will end up independent with a close alliance to the rest of the UK.

Could not agree more.

She does NOT need a visa. It's possible that her particular job is reserved for EU citizens (I can think of a few jobs in this category, mainly civil servant type roles) but her right to stay and work in other jobs is preserved under the withdrawal agreement.

Oh, that’s interesting. That’s certainly not what the company she works for thinks- but they could be wrong.

I know a lot of British families living in the EU and to be brutally honest outside the city-based folks who work for Airbus or international banks, the vast majority would not meet the criteria to live in the EU if they moved now.

People have NO IDEA how complicated it could be before 2004. We moved in the mid 1990s and my (then) partner was refused residency because he didn't have a job - and that was despite owning a local property outright and having about £100k in savings.

@Tippexy

I'd be fuming if I was in my teens and had now been robbed of the chance to live, love, learn and work in various European cities.

Er, you do know that your grandchildren can still live, love, learn and work in various European cities, yes?! Just as they can live, love, learn and work in pretty much every city around the world?

So you're saying that my experience is still available to other UK kids?

As I said in a previous post I am from a poor background - alcoholic single parent, I left school at 16 with a handful of average gcse's, went on holiday to Alicante with a couple of mates and decided to stay out there and got a job in a hotel and bar. Then proceeded to spend the next 4 years working in shops and bars whilst travelling round Spain and Portugal.

I met some amazing people and came back to England with an entirely different outlook on life, studied my CIPD and am now a HR manager. If I hadn't had that opportunity I don't know where I would have ended up especially as my life was pretty grim working in a dead end job in Next with no real future.

I find it Ironic that people like you, I presume you have a very right wing tory outlook on life and value the whole people taking personal responsibility for their own situation want to actually take away opportunities for people to actually do that.

That’s certainly not what the company she works for thinks- but they could be wrong.

As you can imagine, there is a lot of confusion both among companies and public services.

My best friend's mum, who has been living in her host state for 25 years, and is recovering from a series of brain operations, has wrongly lost her state benefits due to Brexit. This isn't strictly speaking illegal (due to having bits of her brain missing she has neglected to tell them she has rights under the withdrawal agreement - once she does this, her benefits should be reinstated) but it gives a taste of what is in store for vulnerable citizens in both the U.K. and EU over the next few years.

Shaniac

Why is it having succeeded in getting the UK out of the EU do Brexiteers seem to have a vested interest in the EU failing? Is it not enough for you? Is it that they somehow want validation for their own decisions? The only people who would gain from the break up a large trading and political entity like the EU are the USA, China and more for political reasons Russia. Free market capitalists like Farage, Rees Mogg et al will also make a mint out of it, but for most of us , we will be in the doldrums for many years. You voted for it , you own it. You don't need the downfall of one the largest trading blocks in the world to vindicate your decision.

The UK will not rejoin the EU
but over the next couple of years lots of tiny incremental steps will bring it back into the Single Market by stealth

• rules of origin for manufacturing are the stalking horse I'll lay a bet on

and Brexit will unravel.

Sadly while the UK has mass media owned by foreigners and tax exiles, the proper questions will not be asked of politicians

@JuliaDomna. Sorry to burst your bubble, i voted remain. Not all remainers want to wallow in self pity and not talk to other europeans about what people in their country are taking about. Its a weird british trait to self deprecate their own county whilst pretending europe is a united utopia. Its not. The netherland and germany might not remain part of the eu in the next 10 years.

We had been out of the EU for 57 mins when you posted it. Have you ever thought that as much as you disagree with it maybe just maybe you could give it a chance to either go tits up or work???????

Apologies Shaniac. Your post came across as uncannily very Brexity. I do hope you are wrong. I don't see self pity here just people who have a very different view to you apparently.

We would have to adopt the Euro, which is effectively a devalued Deutschmark. Also unemployment is currently 4.8% in the UK and 8.4% in the eurozone.

I think it highly unlikely the majority will ever opt for rejoining.

What I've noticed even before whole brexit thing came up is that on tjsj country we just cannot take pride in wanting to do better. Everything is moaned about.

Ever here anything positive being said about the UK by anyone...hardly ever!

Lots of people happy to always criticise and never praise.

And now with brexit and the pandemic ots the same, bashing bashing and more bashing. Why not for once just say well okay this is the situation
,.accept it and now let's do a jolly good job of improving our country, getting people back into jobs and so on. But no just more moaning and criticisms.

When there is so much to fix in this country and not all of it to do with brexit lets focus on that.

Someone earlier mentioned blm as though somehow brexit had got something to do with thay...naw lets deal with institutional racism thats been around for decades and really do something about it to fundamentally change things. Nooe, we just carry on moaning about brexit and pouring energy, time, money into trying to change and join back instead of using that to make our lives better

JuliaDomna If someone posts exactly like a brexiter they probably are, whether they want to admit to it or not.

now let's do a jolly good job of improving our country, getting people back into jobs and so on
But the UK elected a bunch of asset stripping liars in December 2019
so clearly its not a priority.

UK Government have always been able to make life better
and deal with racism
and level up
and reduce inequality
but they choose not to
an people keep voting for rich gits who will rip them off

Why not for once just say well okay this is the situation, accept it and now let's do a jolly good job of improving our country, getting people back into jobs and so on.

But it’s hard to do that when the government, the people deliberately decided to damage the country and people’s job prospects, never mind improve them.

But the UK elected a bunch of asset stripping liars in December 2019
so clearly its not a priority

Well let’s be honest, the other options were pretty dire and that isn’t the fault of the Conservatives.

The other options were dire, but the Tories didn't have to elect a shape shifting venal liar as their leader. At that stage there were better candidates available - I would give Rory Stewart and even Jeremy Hunt as better example.