So, how long will it be before we join again?

[BlackForestCake]

Will you be supporting the campaign to join the EU?

It will be good for business to do away with a lot of pointless red tape at customs, and our people will benefit from being able to travel, study and work in 28 countries.

The EU is a 1950s solution to a 1930s problem and is clearly dying. There will be nothing left to 'rejoin' in 10 years. Any young people grumbling about the loss of their right to live or work on the continent, not that 99% of them would have done so, can be reassured they will have a better chance of getting a job in the UK because economic migrants cannot come here to undercut their wages, and they will be able to vote for politicians who actually have the power to make our own laws rather than merely implement those made in Brussels by unelected foreigners.

The EU is a 1950s solution to a 1930s problem and is clearly dying. There will be nothing left to 'rejoin' in 10 years

There is no sign whatsoever that the EU is dying, never mind a clear one. No other country wants to leave, especially not now that they’ve seen what the process looks like. They all think we have taken leave of our senses.

I’m sure that our kids will be delighted, though, to get those jobs as carers and vegetable pickers now that their chances of better jobs funded by companies investing in this country are on their way out.

@GCAcademic

The EU is a 1950s solution to a 1930s problem and is clearly dying. There will be nothing left to 'rejoin' in 10 years

There is no sign whatsoever that the EU is dying, never mind a clear one. No other country wants to leave, especially not now that they’ve seen what the process looks like. They all think we have taken leave of our senses.

I’m sure that our kids will be delighted, though, to get those jobs as carers and vegetable pickers now that their chances of better jobs funded by companies investing in this country are on their way out.

What's wrong with being a career or vegetable picker?

*carer?

I had a fairly low opinion of my parents already as they were crap parents. My opinion of them has been damaged further by the way they always vote to remove advantages from me and my kids that they have benefited from (Tory/Leave)

It's going to take a while before we are in any fit state to rejoin.
Scotland will rejoin before rUK (I.e. England and Wales) does.
I'm watching how the EU prepares itself for that because when Scotland becomes independent (surely it is "when" now not "if") there are other senior members like Spain, France and Italy who may be torn between helping Scotland and being nervous about e.g Catalunya and Brittany. This doesn't mean it will always be blocked. It means the conversation needs to be more forward looking.
And I think it can do this.
There are areas on the border between Poland and Germany, for example, which were carved away from each other after the war but which just kind of make duality work in a sensible and progressive way using the magic of EU borders. We never heard much about it in the UK because we are so far up our own exceptionalist arse.
In other words, EU states are coming up with creative practical solutions to border/nationality issues within the EU all the time. It's what democratically mature countries do.

As the UK inevitably breaks up, it could learn a few things from the EU about not being a dick about it.

Nah, I think the EU itself will be different in 10 years time- for better or for worse, but no, we won't be a part of it.

I think demographics will take care of things over a 10-15 year period.

Most of the older generation that overwhelmingly voted to wind up the drawbridge and deny the younger generations the fruits that membership bought will be dead.

Today’s teenagers and young adults have been consistently shat on by these Tory governments, and with the effects of climate change (again, made worse by the current lots inaction) will rise up and say enough is enough.

Of course the land of milk and honey the leavers think awaits will not appear- it only existed in their minds anyway. Several years from now people will be thinking how the fuck did we get here? Once the dust settles people will understand who really benefitted from Brexit, and it certainly is not going to be the average person in the street.

And they’ll want change.

@cyclingmad

Your kids haven't been robbed they csn go live and work in the EU it might require abit more to do so. Jesus chill out

That is not true. My DC works in an industry where the job adverts often specifically say “only those with the right to work in the EU”.

They will never let us back we have behaved very badly

The EU has said previously they are not interested in Scotland

The government has said they are not giving Scotland another referendum

What's wrong with being a career or vegetable picker?

Ask the British people who don’t want to do those jobs.

Yes. I will be 70 this year, I voted Remain, but don't intend to give up the struggle. I hope it happens within 10 years. I also hope that this wretched incarnation of a Tory Government destroys the party in the form it's now become.

Some peoe here are pathetic, my kids voted one thing and parents voted another... We are not stupid enough to let this affect our family.. Jesus christ some of you lot need to take a chill pill.

@Forgetmenot157

Some peoe here are pathetic, my kids voted one thing and parents voted another... We are not stupid enough to let this affect our family.. Jesus christ some of you lot need to take a chill pill.

Are you old enough to have children? You sound about 10.

@Theunamedcat , yes, you carry on kidding yourself on that one 😂😂😂

Sovereignty, remember?

I would actively campaign to rejoin but the super wealthy do not want to be subject to EU tax avoidance changes. It was always about the money and always will be. Most people benefit hugely from membership but the tax avoiders are more powerful than the masses. The media was used very well for propaganda and spreading lies about causes of discontent and poverty. They promised the Emporers new clothes and people believed them. The leave campaign built on racism and disadvantage to line their own pockets.

@Theunamedcat That was then. When the Uk was a member state. Haven't you heard? We've left. This is now.

What's wrong with being a career (sic) or vegetable picker?

Nothing at all. Very valuable work. Not what most people aspire to though and not jobs the people who voted us out want to accept.

Any young people grumbling about the loss of their right to live or work on the continent, not that 99% of them would have done so, can be reassured they will have a better chance of getting a job in the UK because economic migrants cannot come here to undercut their wages,

Hmmm, so economic migrants can no longer come and work for peanuts, leaving jobs open for U.K. citizens.

Except they won't work for peanuts, as benefits pay more, so employers will have lots of empty positions.

Employers will need to make themselves more attractive than claiming benefits in order to attract workers.

To do this, you can either increase wages or decrease benefits.

Which do you think our government will go for?

I suspect we'll just end up with a generation of poorly paid locals rather than 'forriners'

What's wrong with being a carer or vegetable picker? For an aging population they are physically demanding jobs that we are no longer able to do.

But Larry Elliot in the Guardian yesterday was singing the praises of Brexit - it will now force farmers to pay better wages or automate, he declared. It's more likely to drive farmers to bankruptcy. Caring can't be fully automated although installation of equipment like hoists can make the job safer and easier.

The EU has said previously they are not interested in Scotland

The idea of an independent Scotland in the EU has always been very tricky, but the last few years have radically increased support for Scotland among EU member states, not least because of what has been revealed about the arrogance and untrustworthiness of Westminster. Macron recently suggested he was favourable to an independent Scotland within the EU and Spain have been less vocal about opposing Scottish independence. The more WM unilaterally refuse IndyRef2, the stronger that tendency will become.

The EU is a 1950s solution to a 1930s problem and is clearly dying.

Wrong on the dates too. It was a response to WW2 in the 40s, following war after war across the continent, caused by one extreme clash of ambition after another. Caused by one set of power-mad aristos, who couldn’t even be satisfied by enslaving their own people, after another. I think Britain has just proven why the EU exists and why it is needed more than ever.

I expect we’ll want to rejoin before the end of this new year - polls have already shifted to reject the 2016 vote. Who ‘we’ are and will be has yet to be decided and ‘we’ve’ got work to do before they’ll let ‘us’ rejoin.

Vegetable picking is not a sustainable long-term livelihood in Britain because it is seasonal work only that does not pay the cost of living here all year round.

Agree with previous posters who have said their won't be an EU to rejoin, I was a reluctant remainer as I think there is a lot wrong with the EU as a institution but on the whole prob thought it was better to campaign for reform from within. Now we have left I think we will make the most of it.

Ironically I think FoM will be the biggest driver of us back in. Going to Europe will become like going to America for us and we won't like it. Two couples I know are already very unhappy about the removal of their rights to FoM, both couples voted Leave solely because of 'immigrants'. Our young people will, rightly, be very angry about this, they will be just about the only people in Europe excluded from the giant adventure playground.