What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

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In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

I hope the rotting fish end up at his door, and he can then tell us first hand whether they are happy.

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Here comes the bonfire of working rights that they said they wouldn't do.

Can't believe anyone who voted Tory in 2019 didn't see this would happen a mile off. It's what Tory governments do especially very right wing ones like the bunch that wrote Britannia Unchained, the ERG and other eurosceptics have never been shy to say what they thought about the social chapter and the working time directive.

Sick pay, maternity pay, redundancy, minimum annual leave allowances will all be part of this bill and I wouldn't be surprised to see us move towards a more American model of work.

I’m aware of the process in the US. It isn’t pretty. I posted about this the morning of the referendum result. I’m sure it will be dressed up as making the UK more competitive post-Covid, but it’s long been on the cards.

Don't forget the environmental protections they've already ripped up after saying they wouldn't.
It is just astonishing that voters believed them when they said they wouldn't do this. How many times do they have to be lied to before they'll stop believing what Johnson and co say?

I have to assume that Leavers regard this as a Brexit bonus. Who needs maternity or sick pay?

Except - how well will a US model work in the UK? Despite Trump's best efforts Mexicans and other Latin Americans are still keen to get into the USA, so will still provide cheap Labour. We don't have Latin America on our doorstep. If we stop to think about all the E Europeans who do a lot of the routine jobs, certainly in the south of England, if they chose to go home, who will do the jobs? I can imagine the likes of Rees-Mogg whinging about a servant problem as in the 1930s. Priti Patel might be happy - more people brought in from the Indian sub-continent, but I am 100% sure that Farage won't be. At the moment, Farage still gets more support than Patel.

The fishermen have rumbled Johnson, so that took less than two weeks. Notice they are not being philosophical and telling themselves that Corbyn would have been worse.

I have to assume that Leavers regard this as a Brexit bonus. Who needs maternity or sick pay?

It's astonishing, I'm reading some of the replies on Twitter and people are actually lapping it up. People actually blindly cheering it because they continue to support the Tories because of Brexit. It's so scary the way people are brainwashed in this way, openly welcoming the removal of protections to normal working people that have been fought and won by generations before them.

I have to assume that Leavers regard this as a Brexit bonus

Yes I agree, I think the bar will just continually be moved down with Leave voters saying this is what they wanted all along. Demonstrated upthread by the poster defending the use of bee killing pesticides.

People actually blindly cheering it because they continue to support the Tories because of Brexit. It's so scary the way people are brainwashed in this way, openly welcoming the removal of protections to normal working people that have been fought and won by generations before them.

The problem I think is that because of the gig economy and zero hours contracts, many people no longer enjoy the protections that previous generations fought hard for. Their attitude seems to be resentment of those that do still enjoy them, instead of fighting for those rights themselves. And the money worshipping Rees-Moggs and Johnsons of this world are more than happy with this state of affairs.

Some are finally gaining a sense of betrayal that Brexit has inflicted upon our country by a cabal of entitled liars Johnson Farage et al. by the change from Project Fear to Project Reality.

They own this shitshow lock stock and stinking barrel. Worth remembering like Trump when nations go down a populist route then we are being led into the abyss. If Brexiters wise up to their follies then all will not be lost.

"ENOUGH is ENOUGH WE CANT GET OUR PRODUCT into the EU MARKET WE are facing BANKRUPTCY get it sorted"

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If Brexiters wise up to their follies then all will not be lost

They won't & its all too late even if they did.

This is what it means to be out of the SM and CU, fishermen voted for this, so can hardly complain now.

More to the point jasjas - those who voted Tory back in 2019 definitely wanted this. Why they expected a good outcome from a man who was happy to lie to more than one employer, and appears to cheat on every woman he has a relationship with, is beyond me. But hey, that was the will of the people.

The problem I think is that because of the gig economy and zero hours contracts, many people no longer enjoy the protections that previous generations fought hard for. Their attitude seems to be resentment of those that do still enjoy them, instead of fighting for those rights themselves

We as a family all work with this type of work. I don’t think resentment was the right word. I think it is more of it doesn’t affect us so I don’t think any of us would give it a second thought if someone suddenly the government said they were getting rid of sick pay etc.

Personally we wouldn’t want f/t jobs in one company for a set amount of hours per week. We also worked (pre Covid) much more than 48 hours per week some weeks and others weeks we might only work 3 days. It was up to us how much work we did. We liked the flexibility.

I think that there is a lot of people in our position. Zero hours contracts can be really lucrative if you aren’t tied to one company.

mmmmm

Many remainers i know voted tory in 2019, they felt they had no choice.

The media stitched up Corbyn...anti british, pro terrorist OR a PM who has Brexit sorted and who told us all nothing much would change in our relationship with the EU.
The LD had a policy that was totally distorted by the MSM, so folk thought they were anti democratic, Swinson was incredibly naive.

Because we were going to get a Great Deal as I recall. Why can't Johnson persuade the fishermen that his deal is great?

Well, the UKs fish are very happy now!

Who knew that Make our Own Laws, would mean scrapping workers rights? As it says in the Bible: Don’t put a muzzle on an ox while it treads grain, and Workers deserve their pay.

Why to people think it wrong to pay workers decent wages?

I think it is more of it doesn’t affect us so I don’t think any of us would give it a second thought if someone suddenly the government said they were getting rid of sick pay etc

Oh thats all right then.... your ok so fuck the other 25m + who it would very much affect.

Vera99
The Loch Fyne guy campaigned for Brexit

He got what he wanted

We really do need an alliance of centre/left parties in the coming years to ensure tories are booted.

They have hollowed out our country and sold it off to their mates and ilk.

It has been a very british coup, performed on the backs of the tories "useful idiots.".

jasjas1973

I think it is more of it doesn’t affect us so I don’t think any of us would give it a second thought if someone suddenly the government said they were getting rid of sick pay etc

Oh thats all right then.... your ok so fuck the other 25m + who it would very much affect

I was pointing out that those of us in the gig economy didn’t have “resentment” against those who had full time jobs and all the benefits they get. It just would never cross our minds.

It works both ways. Do those in full time work who are working from home or on furlough give a fuck about those that work in the gig economy. Do people who haven’t had work affected by this pandemic give a fuck about those that lost their jobs last March.

I have seen posts that inferred those in the gig economy should have worked harder to get a full time job.
I have seen posts saying we should close down everything for months.
These posters are the ones who haven’t had their income affected by this pandemic.

I have talked to people who think we are lying when we say we aren’t entitled to any of the governments safety net payments.

I think both sides give zero fucks about the other.

And no we aren’t ok and we don’t have the back up of furlough or government payments.

I was pointing out that those of us in the gig economy didn’t have “resentment” against those who had full time jobs and all the benefits they get. It just would never cross our minds.

It may not have crossed your mind, but I was quoting from my own experience. In one particular case when a person was grumbling '"you're doing all right for yourselves with your holidays and sick pay.", he was treated to a lecture on how those rights had been fought for and that there was nothing stopping him doing the same. The grumbler shut up.

So Bythemillpond on the one hand you are saying that the gig economy is fine, and if you know how to work it properly then you can make good money. But the next post, the gig economy is not fine, because you are not furloughed and apparently no one gives a fuck (Rishi Sunak take note). You liked the flexibility so you made a choice.

Bythemillpond

So why accept such crappy conditions? many companies have been forced to change how they treat their ZH staff.

Also, brexit was a choice the uk made to screw itself over, the reality of brexit is starting to dawn on many people only now its far too late.