What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

[Elephant4]

In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

Xing

Very disappointing to see the Govt's response to fishermen around the UK.
Yes they tended to vote for Brexit but thats because the CFP was poor for the UK industry, even if it were our fault but whats happening now is a disaster.
Happy fish indeed! Mogg really is a twat.

@jasjas1973

It is without doubt that this is a real tangible benefit of Brexit for us

Fantastic achievement but as Peregrina says, not Brexit related.

For all of europe, we are, at present, going to see the back of this Pandemic, what then?

Considering our death and infection rates, we really do need to be ahead of europe on this.

How so? It is only because we are not subject to the same pressure that Merkel applied to the other states that we were able to act independently. The EU's handling of vaccine procurement was supposed to be Merkel's gift to her friend Uschi, so it's pretty embarrassing for them all that it's been so royally messed up. But we, at least, don't share the problem.

Xingming
Why should expecting a Brexit bonus two weeks into January be optimistic?
January 2021
over 4 1/2 years since the vote where the bonus should be delivered .....

Toptotoeunicolour

So what you seem to imply is that if Cv hadn't happened, there would be no Brexit gains?

The only "gain" is something unknown about in 2016......

The EU order many millions of doses, the problem seems to be getting a vaccine that requires deep refrigeration out into the populace.

Perhaps a better question is why the EMA hasn't approved the OxZ vaccine?

Two weeks into January - has the £700 million for the NHS been paid in yet?

@jasjas1973

Toptotoeunicolour

So what you seem to imply is that if Cv hadn't happened, there would be no Brexit gains?

The only "gain" is something unknown about in 2016......

The EU order many millions of doses, the problem seems to be getting a vaccine that requires deep refrigeration out into the populace.

Perhaps a better question is why the EMA hasn't approved the OxZ vaccine?

I'm trying to figure out if you're being deliberately fatuous, or just genuinely don't understand.

Fishermen screaming betrayal in the strongest possible terms. Symbolic indeed. Without COVID there would have been a true and instant reckoning for this totally predictable omnishambles. At least we all get to feel what it's like to be in Johnson's orbit just like all his past employers and partners.

nffo.org.uk/news/a-letter-to-the-prime-minister-boris-johnson.html

Perhaps a better question is why the EMA hasn't approved the OxZ vaccine?
This.

It's a hard lesson to have learnt but at the times when your earnings opportunities were good, you needed to be making provision for the times when they might not have been

But we did put away money. But having only been self employed for just under 3 years we managed to put away enough to last us 10 months without pay. The type of thing we do might be lucrative but not enough that you can put away savings that are going to lady you years after only 2 years work.

How an earth did you manage to take 8 GCSE English exams
By going in for the same exam 8 times,

In reality, I would guess that your work wasn't real self-employment, and that 40 years ago you would have been taxed under PAYE, maybe doing series of temporary contracts. But the blame for this situation lies with Westminster Governments and particularly this one, who have shown that they haven't got a clue how to tackle the Covid crisis, but are very clued up when it comes to bunging money to their mates. Some of that money could and should have been your money and these are the people you need to take to task.

Toptotoeunicolour

I do not get your argument...we were (effectively) in the EU for all the time the key decisions were made on vaccines, inc approval by MHRA, you argue that political pressure would have made us go alone with eu procurement but you don't know that, nor is the issues roll out due to supply but due to v poor implementation.

Even the govt has stopped claiming its a brexit benefit now.

I may as well claim that our terrible death rates & forecast the biggest economic hit in europe are because we left the EU.

Now a Brexit gain we have had though (or rather our sugar beet farmers) is they can now use EU banned pesticides, with mitigation measures even worse for pollinators.

So much for higher environmental standards.......

If you were self employed for 3 years you should have got some govt help.

8 x ? obviously you paid for these yourself and took them as an adult too.

Jasjas,

You can claim anything (as I can counterclaim anything) is or is not a result of Brexit. As we don’t have a control U.K. in a parallel universe where we remained in the EU, it is a sterile argument.

I very much doubt we would have aggressively gone it alone with our vaccine strategy had we not Brexited.

I think you are right on the aggressively going it alone on the vaccine strategy - we may not have done it without Brexit, although with any anti-EU Tory led Governments from 2010 on the UK might have done. However, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. If Covid is brought under control rapidly then it will be a success. If we still continue to have the largest death rate in Europe then using the UK population as though it were taking part in a large clinical trial might be seen as a calculated risk which didn't in the end pay off.

As we don’t have a control U.K. in a parallel universe where we remained in the EU, it is a sterile argument

Very true...

I very much doubt we would have aggressively gone it alone with our vaccine strategy had we not Brexited

OxZ only sought EMA approval 5 days ago.... yet asked the MHRA in early December? can that be Brexit related?

3/4+ of our vaccinations have been done with OxZ, without OxZ we would also have a very slow rollout......

I'm hopefully that once its approved, EU roll out will rapidly accelerate, as ours did, thats what's needed now for all our sakes.

Apparently France are only counting people as vaccinated when they have received both doses of the vaccine and within the recommended time frame. If the UK applied the same criteria then 400K people have been fully vaccinated.

Heres a bit of fact checking about the vaccine and Brexit. I'm sure it won't make a single bit of difference to what people think. One thing I've learnt over the last five years is that in the battle of fact v feelings, feelings ALWAYS win. Certain politicians and campaigners were very insightful to spot that early.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-brexit-did-not-speed-up-uk-vaccine-authorisation?fbclid=IwAR0CNAUveXiRr_HG9Xn_7gPI_Nxlq16Tm5OhFK7wACP9FYJUyFBJMOXnxuM

Still a Brexit win for me.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/germanys-coronavirus-vaccine-side-deal-at-odds-with-legally-binding-eu-pact/amp/

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/c1575e05-70e5-4e5f-b58c-cde5c99aba5f

My understanding is also that the vaccine is being rolled out slowly in France partly because they are giving it first to the elderly in care homes and there are strict procedures and protocols to be followed with regard to informed consent. These are slowing the process and may be relaxed.
These are brand new vaccines, which the UK gvmt is blithely mixing and matching and administering in a modified time frame, to the astonishment of many scientists. Hopefully it will work out OK.

In France there are certainly lots of other issues (anti-vaxxers, notably, and a huge amount of wariness wrt top-down authority) but they are not what is slowing down the process. Yet.).

If you were self employed for 3 years you should have got some govt help

Almost 3 years so got nothing

8 x ? obviously you paid for these yourself and took them as an adult too

3 times at school and 5 times as an adult

These are brand new vaccines, which the UK gvmt is blithely mixing and matching and administering in a modified time frame, to the astonishment of many scientists. Hopefully it will work out OK

Quite astonishing isn't it? all on the brainwave of Tony Blair and his think tank of ideas.
When he first mentioned it, UK scientists were dead against the idea, then the Govt ran with it and suddenly its all been scientifically approved but not by the scientists who developed the Vaccine (BioNTech)

My fear is that in our rush to vaccinate, we don't actually know who has had what, when or who & the 12 week plan will slip.

E.G i had a flu vaccine, paid privately in October @ local pharmacy, no one in the NHS has a clue i had it, despite telling pharmacy to inform my GP practice, they keep sending me letters telling me i can have one at my local surgery, i telling them i've had the FJ, they send another letter.

jasjas - my fears exactly. I want to see the vaccine programme up and running to the already agreed protocols, not some half cock mix n' match system. This doesn't make me an anti - vaxer but no doubt it will be spun as such.

...anyway, even if we have correctly recorded the vaccination data, the Govt is likely to delete it at a later date..... and Tory supporters used to worry about Diane Abbott... when they should have been worrying about Patel !

One thing I've learnt over the last five years is that in the battle of fact v feelings, feelings ALWAYS win.
For once I agree with you, and it applies most of all to the Remainers on this board.

@Toptotoeunicolour

One thing I've learnt over the last five years is that in the battle of fact v feelings, feelings ALWAYS win. For once I agree with you, and it applies most of all to the Remainers on this board.

Lol!

We knew what the EU was, its failings and its successes, we also had a very good idea of where it was going... in other words we based our vote on - facts!
Leaving was about vague promises/feelings, which we see now with the authorisation of banned pesticides and the betrayal of the fishing industry.

Which is why i changed my vote, one should never gamble with the future of a country.