What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

[Elephant4]

In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

@KenDodd, you are being deliberately obtuse. This discussion is not talking about polio/polo vaccination in isolated parts of the African bush!

We are talking about mass vaccination of undocumented people (and I would bet most Palestinians ARE registered with a doctor anyway) I think the above is comparable.

@Peregrina

You need a reminder as to who helped to scupper May's Deal - The DUP and the ERG. Last time I looked they were nothing like Remainers.

Now people like Kate Hoey are bleating about Johnson's deal and how NI has been sold out.

Arch Leavers voted against May's deal because they wanted to end up with something more Brexity.
Remainers voted against May's deal to end up with no Brexit, which has to be one of the most embarrassing political own goals ever committed.

A bit of an ethical dilemma though. With the obviously, visibly homeless and vulnerable, mentally ill, substance addicted etc, it's a no brainer. They probably have poor immune responses anyway, so would easily be categorised as vulnerable in most cases.

But for people who are not on any NHS system, or they are but they have sketchy, incomplete or plain inaccurate information, how are we supposed to know exactly who falls into the vulnerable categories and should take priority?

Unless you are proposing that illegal immigrants and people living below the radar/outside of the tax system should get priority over others who don't, irrespective of their personal levels of vulnerability?

Even if you knew exactly where these people all were and were prepared to send teams in using mobile units like they do with blood donation or something, and just administer vaccines to whomever was in the queue, traceable ID or not, how can that be right when others need to wait their turn and may be at higher risk of death?

I wonder how the DUP are feeling about May's deal and Brexit now? My thoughts were that they wanted no deal and a hard border on the island (regardless of them saying they didn't, all their actions said they did) they took a gamble on Brexit and lost and ended increasing the likelihood of a united Ireland more that Sinn Féin had managed ever.

KenDodd
Another source for the Israeli approach
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/how-has-israel-launched-the-worlds-fastest-covid-vaccination-drive

Really dumb considering they all mix together in markets etc

And quite why anybody is comparing Palestinians
with the homeless and undocumented
is rather beyond me

The only possible reason I could see for not vaccinating Palestinians (yet) is that they have a younger population (I believe they do) and so hour for hour they can get through more vulnerable Jewish people than they could vulnerable Palestinians. Maybe that could be the reason... I hope that's the reason anyway.

jasjas1973
Supposed to get 5 a day, not 5 a week

The lunch parcel is not supposed to supply all of the child's intake of food for the day - it's five lunches for one child - to replace the child's school lunch. An example of what should be in the parcels in this news article - scroll down to the BBC illustration - not the photograph;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55628428

and it assumes the family can afford to have the oven on during the day or have a MW

It's an example lunch parcel. From what I understand, schools/academy trusts choose the supplier themselves. They use the allocated meal funding from the government (+ an extra £3.50 per child, per week available due to Covid) to buy the lunch parcels from the supplier/caterer, which they then distribute to the children/their parents. Surely, someone with a bit of common sense at the school would check with the families whether they have cooking facilities - either ask them in person or send out a questionnaire?

The contract is between the school and the supplier. For months, teachers on these boards have been telling us how busy they've all been delivering lunch parcels to pupils on fsm. Are we now being told that all of those teachers were knowingly handing out inadequate lunch parcels week after week, without challenging the suppliers? Clearly one supplier (Chartwells) were at fault, but I sincerely hope the photographs on twitter do not represent what the majority of schools have been providing.

Well, you are a tory, so rotten bread and dripping would be fine

Would you prefer the Morrison's box? A jar of strawberry jam per child, per week - 44.6g of sugar per 100g;

www.mirror.co.uk/money/morrisons-launches-service-feed-free-22955345

It stopped free movement from the EU. However, that was fairly pointless given the unskilled migration from the rest of the world, granted much of it through the back door and loop holes. It would have been better to stop that sort of migration than EU as nearly all EU migrants came here to work and work hard

• And here we have the irony of labelling all Leave voters as xenophobic.

The EU is very inclusive...if you are European. However some people think it was pretty rich of countries like the U.K., France, Belgium and Portugal who exploited less developed countries around the world under the guise of friendship, Commonwealth, or just blatant colonialism, then after years of divide and rule and asset stripping, drew up the drawbridge and dropped the portcullis as they entered a nice white, [historically] gentlemen’s club. The EU put up barriers of entry to trade from former European colonies and trading partners that caused real damage.

I can assure that poster that the U.K., along with most other European nations, has long benefited from skilled and unskilled labour from “brown” migrants, as well as the apparently much more palatable EU migrants. I taught ESOL to both EU and non EU immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers and my Sudanese, Ethiopian and Somali students were no less hardworking than my students from EU countries, and desperate to get work and make a good life in the U.K.

I’m optimistic that we will still get the EU migrants that the U.K. needs; there will be more paperwork involved and they will need job offers, but many came on that basis anyway, only a small proportion came speculatively. I’m sure we will also continue to benefit from non-EU migration. I hope we will continue, and ideally extend our willingness to continue working with the UN and others to offer refuge and asylum to people fleeing persecution from outside the EU.

The EU is unwieldy, inefficient, opaque and terrifyingly poor at regulating itself. It reminds me of FIFA.
Leaving it was a huge risk; and yes, vocal leave advocates included xenophobes and Little Englanders, but I’m so bored of the acceptance of this binary equation of Remain = progressive, inclusive goodies
Leave = racist, knuckle-dragging baddies
Not all, but too many vocal Remainers cannot acknowledge the possibility that there might be non-heinous reasons for wishing to leave the EU as it currently exists.
I find that really disheartening and disturbing.

And here we have the irony of labelling all Leave voters as xenophobic. The EU is very inclusive...if you are European
The EU does not set immigration rules
Each sovereign European country sets its own criteria

Only the UK set the insane high income rules that stopped Commonwealth citizens arriving.

Hence why Germany was able to open its border
but Hungary and Poland kept theirs closed
AND
Why other EU countries like Austria, Germany, France enforced the work requirement on EU migrants
but the UK chose not to

Its not the EU that caused the Poles to arrive and stay in the UK
its the UK Government

ListeningQuietly
I’m aware of that, which is why I talked about trade barriers, not movement of people barriers; and pointed out that we, in common with other European countries, already benefit from non EU migration.

My irony comment was directed at the poster I quoted basically saying we’ll now be letting all those “unskilled” non-EU migrants in, as opposed to the hardworking EU migrants!

Lightdrizzle
Which current trade barriers to which former colonial countries do you have a problem with?
other than Clavinova's orange juice

LightDrizzle I want to kiss you.

Thank you.

If only they would listen. But they won't, they'll stick to their worn out tropes of what a Leaver is, because it's easier for them to comprehend and the glow of smugness and superiority keeps them warm at night.

Why are you so bothered by what Remainers think? You won. Isn't success enough?

I thought Lightdrizzles post was quite accurate and also an attempt at healing division.... and then you post this....

If only they would listen. But they won't, they'll stick to their worn out tropes of what a Leaver is, because it's easier for them to comprehend and the glow of smugness and superiority keeps them warm at night

Well done!

Basically we had an audi and weve traded it in for a Ford Fiesta.
Export is a shit show at the moment.
I can't think of anything we've gained.

According to Rees-Mogg happy British fish.
Not that anyone knows how to ask whether fish are happy or not.

From what I understand, schools/academy trusts choose the supplier themselves. They use the allocated meal funding from the government (+ an extra £3.50 per child, per week available due to Covid) to buy the lunch parcels from the supplier/caterer, which they then distribute to the children/their parents. Surely, someone with a bit of common sense at the school would check with the families whether they have cooking facilities - either ask them in person or send out a questionnaire?

What else do you think teachers should be doing?

These meals are going to the most deprived children/families, ensuring high nutritional standards is essential, as its unlikely they are getting a nutritious evening meal.

I see BJ has changed the rules (yet again) and 1/2 term meals will come out of the local authority CV winter fund, previously NOT going to be used for FSM... expect a U turn when Rashford picks up on this.

Why are you so bothered by what Remainers think? You won. Isn't success enough?

Perhaps because of the never ending snarky, condescending, superior-toned, disengenuous posts that appear on threads like this?

But actually, yes you are right. Why do I care? We won! If we could all stop feeling a need to continually justify ourselves now, take a leaf out the Brexit Arms' book and just cheerily, breezily ignore all attempts at baiting and goading for a re-hash of the same old arguments we'd all be happier and more productive. And the rest of you are welcome to your Remainers echo chamber, still furiously and deliberately missing the point in another 4 years time and saying 'I still haven't heard one good reason.....' until you are boring even yourself.

Over and out.

No one forces you to come on these threads, and you are welcome to your Brexit Arms.
YOU WON.

You said this.... the glow of smugness and superiority keeps them warm at night

You are no better than what you accuse remainers off....

Why don't you go and tell Scottish fishermen how great your Brexit is?

Peregrina

“According to Rees-Mogg happy British fish.
Not that anyone knows how to ask whether fish are happy or not.“

Would that be the tonnes of rotting fish and seafood Scottish fisherman are planning on delivering to BJ?
Imagine they’re beyond themselves 🙄

If there is such a thing maybe they are in a fishy heaven? Where they just swim peacefully in water of the right temperature, free from predators and those nasty creatures called men with their nets.

FuriouswiththeNHS
I've asked which bits of EU decisions
as against those made by countries who are in the EU
are the problem

I've never said that the EU was perfect
but its much much better than isolation

Honestly I swear Rees-Mogg is mocking Leave voters with his happy British fish and moving his money to Ireland. Aaron Banks and Dominic Cummings are just as bad, making it clear they think leave voters are thick. And yet somehow Leavers never take issue with Banks and Cummings saying the didn't have a clue what they voted for or describing leading you up the garden path. Even Leave.EU posting moving to Ireland just like 'thousands of other companies' har, har. How come Leave voters never get upset with these people but take huge insult if a Remainer dare suggest they might not have been fully informed?