What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

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In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

Well, you are a tory, so rotten bread and dripping would be fine :)

Supposed to get 5 a day, not 5 a week.... and it assumes the family can afford to have the oven on during the day or have a MW.

1 loaf of bread or pack of rolls / 10-inch wraps
2 baking potatoes
1 cucumber
3 large tomatoes or 1 pack of cherry tomatoes
1 standard tin sweetcorn in water
5 portions of fresh fruit (e.g. apples, satsumas, bananas) or 3 portions of fresh fruit and 1 tin fruit in juice (e.g. pears, peaches, fruit cocktail)
2 items from the following: 1 pack sliced cooked meat (e.g. chicken, ham or vegetarian alternative) or 1 tin meat or 1 tin tuna in water or 6 eggs
200g block of cheese or 3 cheese portions
1 tin baked beans
1 500g pot plain low-fat yoghurt or 3 individual serving yoghurt pots
1 litre / 2 pints semi-skimmed milk

It would be lovely for someone to invite the leading Tories to a banquet for which they paid good money, and then serve them up with beans on toast.

Vaccine rollout in Israel
is only for citizens
so NO Palestinians are being vaccinated

that will bite them on the bum

be careful what data you use

@Peregrina

Actually the Remain parties did pretty well at the EU elections - tied with the Farage party. Now you would have to admit that both Labour and the Tories did dismally then.

What positive news have you given? Johnson did well organising the Olympic torch? 4 years before Cameron's referendum when Johnson still supported the EU, or hadn't nailed his colours to the mast?

Vaccine roll out - which is good but as much to do with the health care staff who are administering it and the scientists who developed it.

Otherwise - feel free to speed on French roads, because the cops will find it difficult to catch you.

Doesn't a couple of weeks quarantine bugger up any gains you make through speeding.

The only people who think May's deal was better are Remainers.

Except they are only saying that now, they didn't approve of it when it was an option on the table because they were still hoping to bring a halt to the entire thing.

If they'd been generally less obstructive at the time we might well have been living with the deal that was apparently so much better than this one for the last year or so.

ListeningQuietly, What on earth is wrong with vaccinating your own citizens? Would you routinely expect to vaccinate citizens of other countries? Only if the system had them registered as patients, would my GP practice call someone for vaccination... and so far they've barely started on the over-80s. Or is it just an opportunity to indulge your party's anti-Semitism?

@XingMing - a virus doesn't check your passport or citizenship. If I meet a French person in a shop that was infected by Covid but lives where I live, I may get infected. That's why vaccinating all residents rather than all citizens makes more sense.

You need a reminder as to who helped to scupper May's Deal - The DUP and the ERG. Last time I looked they were nothing like Remainers.

Now people like Kate Hoey are bleating about Johnson's deal and how NI has been sold out.

@XingMing. NHS is available to all residents, not citizens.

So we are vaccinating all residents, not citizens. As are most countries

@FuriousWithTheNHS Should watch that gaslighting urge!

Most arch Leavers didn't like it either Peregrina.

But if you think it was so much better than the one we had, how come so few of you supported it at the time?

@XingMing

ListeningQuietly, What on earth is wrong with vaccinating your own citizens? Would you routinely expect to vaccinate citizens of other countries? Only if the system had them registered as patients, would my GP practice call someone for vaccination... and so far they've barely started on the over-80s. Or is it just an opportunity to indulge your party's anti-Semitism?

Why would you fail to vaccinate people living in what you regard as your land with no other state to live in? They are either citizens, stateless of refugees. Take your pick.

Israel are doing some cherry picking here. These people are on their land until they are inconvenience.

You can only assume that the plan is to deny medical aid with a view to allowing 'nature to take its course'.

We could draw some historical irony in here. But i shall refrain.

That's axiomatic, but unless individuals are registered with a medical practitioner, how would immunisation candidates be summoned, tracked, and recorded?

The UK has a sizeable population of people who live here undocumented: between 800,000 and 2 million according to the BBC, and presumably those individuals are at equal or even higher risk of contracting COVID19. But as they are outwith the NHS, they are invisible and can't expect to be vaccinated.

YOU may assume a sinister plan to deny medical care and attention, but it could as easily mean that, as in other countries, there is a risk-based priority ranking for vaccination.

XingMing
I've no idea which party you think I support
but I do think that Israel choosing not to vaccinate up to half the people within its borders
may not be the cleverest of moves

In the UK, everybody registered with the NHS is being covered
which includes a LOT of non UK citizens (from all over the world)

@XingMing

YOU may assume a sinister plan to deny medical care and attention, but it could as easily mean that, as in other countries, there is a risk-based priority ranking for vaccination.

Where do we start with this...

If you are making decisions based on citizenship then you aren't risk assessing ANYTHING based on health.

HTH.

The UK has a sizeable population of people who live here undocumented: between 800,000 and 2 million according to the BBC, and presumably those individuals are at equal or even higher risk of contracting COVID19. But as they are outwith the NHS, they are invisible and can't expect to be vaccinated.

I would absolutely hope and expect that they would be found and vaccinated (if the wanted the vaccine), regardless of immigration status, NHS registration, tax paid or anything else, likewise the homeless. Why on earth would anyone not want that?

Personally, I am not making any decisions.

Israel was accused above of only vaccinating citizens (something I wasn't aware of). Leaving aside the obvious stupidity of that policy decision, I observed that healthcare systems can only vaccinate the people registered with them irrespective of citizenship status, or state of origin, so given that, it's not unreasonable to organise any offer of vaccination according to some fairly arbitrary form of risk assessment. As things stand in the UK, it's priority by age, clinical vulnerability and contribution to the functioning of the NHS and society in general. How is any of that so controversial? Unless you are looking for an argument.

And IF the below is true (I have my doubts that it is) and Palestinians are being deliberately excluded from the vaccine program, shame on Israel, it is both shameful and short sighted.

Vaccine rollout in Israel is only for citizens so NO Palestinians are being vaccinated

I observed that healthcare systems can only vaccinate the people registered with them irrespective of citizenship status, or state of origin, so given that, it's not unreasonable to organise any offer of vaccination according to some fairly arbitrary form of risk assessment.
Bollocks.
Do you really think polo vaccination programs in isolated Africa villages only vaccinate children registered with a GP?

@KenDodd, you are being deliberately obtuse. This discussion is not talking about polio/polo vaccination in isolated parts of the African bush!

I would absolutely hope and expect that they would be found and vaccinated (if the wanted the vaccine), regardless of immigration status, NHS registration, tax paid or anything else, likewise the homeless. Why on earth would anyone not want that?

Vaccinations for the homeless and extremely vulnerable have already started but obviously they have to volunteer to come forward and indentify themselves as such in the first place. Something tells me that there are a fair few undocumented people who would be very unwilling indeed to come forward, for obvious reasons, even if the NHS promised some sort of 'no questions asked' amnesty, they would be inherently distrustful. And they are exactly the people who will be living in overcrowded, unsanitary conditions in poor quality housing, doing unregulated work with little in the way of Covid safety protocols in place.

Leicester clothing manufacturing sweatshops for example.

Seems it is true about not vaccinating Palestinians. Shame on Israel and shame on anyone who defends this.

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-israel-urges-world-to-follow-its-rapid-vaccine-rollout-but-palestinians-are-left-waiting-12184489

@FuriousWithTheNHS

I don't agree with you on much but I agree with you on that. I also think we should do everything we can to reach them and offer vaccine. Even if this was entirely motivated by our own self interest in not wanting covid spread, regardless of status, we should try to protect as many people as possible.