What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

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In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

Good job then that our olympians did better than this clown

At least we know he can cycle 7 miles.

Pshaw: I am older than him and can cycle further than that.
Best was 60 miles in a day (and I was shattered!)

No Seb Coe, the gold medal olympian....he has never quite shaken of the drugs accusation though has he?

He wasn't accused of taking drugs himself though??

Brexit certainly not going well for langoustine fishermen in Scotland.
As they say on twitter
"ENOUGH is ENOUGH WE CANT GET OUR PRODUCT into the EU MARKET WE are facing BANKRUPTCY get it sorted."

They are threatening to dump the rotting seafood on Number 10's doorstep.

They could try selling them in the UK. I never see them for sale and would gladly buy langoustines regularly, but for years they have mostly been exported to France.

I think we’ve got bigger things to worry about than Brexit at the moment and quite frankly after reading the thread earlier this year about some of the derogatory opinions held by other EU countries about British people I’m not as upset about leaving as I originally was.

@XingMing

They could try selling them in the UK. I never see them for sale and would gladly buy langoustines regularly, but for years they have mostly been exported to France.

They'll be out of business before a new UK market is set up.

Rather worrying that the major supermarkets cannot get all their food stuffs to NI, even BoJo saying he may suspend the agreement.... i'm just trying to think of what BJ said to that grp of NI businessmen "Bring your paperwork to this PM and i'll show you the bin"

I'm sure Clav can tell us all exactly what he said....... :)

Vaccine rollout & procurement isn't a brexit dividend... what we did was open to any EU nation, indeed we were in the EU (effectively) when all the key decisions were made.
Again. Yes it was technically open to any EU nation but when the individual health ministers went about their own procurement, Merkel pulled them all back into line and told them it had to be handled by the EU. And they all did exactly as they were told. Huge difference between what they are legally able to do and what they actually do once political pressure is applied. Brexit in a nutshell, right there.

i'm just trying to think of what BJ said to that grp of NI businessmen "Bring your paperwork to this PM and i'll show you the bin"

To be fair I think he was referring to exports from NI to the rest of the UK at the time - if I remember correctly.

You can say it as many times as you like, with your wishful spin on it!
I don't know why this conversation is still going on. It's all a bit moot, and hearts and minds are not being won here. Makes me wonder if we have some UKippers amongst us?

@Clavinova

i'm just trying to think of what BJ said to that grp of NI businessmen "Bring your paperwork to this PM and i'll show you the bin"

To be fair I think he was referring to exports from NI to the rest of the UK at the time - if I remember correctly.

So he was lying or didn't know what he was talking about?

At the time, he was ridiculed and as time has shown, rightly so.

Meanwhile, the Fisheries Minister didn't read Boris's wonderful agreement because she was busy organising a Nativity trail. I wonder if she felt that reading the minutiae wasn't important?

@DoubleTweenQueen

You can say it as many times as you like, with your wishful spin on it! I don't know why this conversation is still going on. It's all a bit moot, and hearts and minds are not being won here. Makes me wonder if we have some UKippers amongst us?

Wishful spin?

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/11/brussels-appeals-for-vaccine-solidarity-across-member-states

Also maybe listen to John Campbell if you are thinking maybe the EU are as nimble as we are? I recommend from 6.30 in particular, from today's update, although it's been mentioned before:

There was plenty in the European press about it quite a few days back.

Also perhaps look at the population coverage levels on the graphs on Bloomberg, here's the link again:
www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

The purpose of this thread is not to mend hearts and minds. Remainers had plenty of opportunity to do that before the last two GE's and the European election, and failed abysmally. One look through the 'Enders threads gives anyone a clear picture of why that failed. The purpose of this thread is to give the OP some positive news and I think we've done that.

The purpose of this thread is to give the OP some positive news and I think we've done that

Not according to the OP.

33 pages and the only tenuous benefit is vaccine, which in both procurement and application was available to EU members, which of course we were (in effect) as well.

Meanwhile, transport, import/export, fisheries, travel, 2nd home owners, pets, study, work... all fucked by the brexitiers.

Actually the Remain parties did pretty well at the EU elections - tied with the Farage party. Now you would have to admit that both Labour and the Tories did dismally then.

What positive news have you given? Johnson did well organising the Olympic torch? 4 years before Cameron's referendum when Johnson still supported the EU, or hadn't nailed his colours to the mast?

Vaccine roll out - which is good but as much to do with the health care staff who are administering it and the scientists who developed it.

Otherwise - feel free to speed on French roads, because the cops will find it difficult to catch you.

in both procurement and application was available to EU members
Again. Available to EU members legally, but not politically (within the same timeframes obviously, which is crucial in this situation).
And the vaccine is only an example of the results of nimble governance. Nimble governance is the benefit, and it is highly likely to yield long term results.
Why don't we just wait and see? Given none of us have to make any decisions soon, it doesn't really matter if we agree, does it?

NImble Governance - well that is a charitable way of describing Johnson's U turns, I suppose.

Why should we wait and see? Brexiters at least believed that it would be all gain. Easiest deals in history, you know, not 'we will sell you out'.

Meanwhile, the Fisheries Minister didn't read Boris's wonderful agreement because she was busy organising a Nativity trail.

Of course she read it although the link says;
It is clear that the fisheries minister was not brought into discussions on the deal until after the event.

SNP getting much of the blame here;

The SNP has been accused of delaying export paperwork for Scottish fishermen in order to push their pursuit for an independent Scotland. Such are the apparent delays, fishermen are now being forced to wait five times longer to export produce to the continent. With checks performed by Holyrood, Scottish Tories have accused the SNP of not “lifting a finger” to help Scottish fishermen.

Jimmy Buchan of the Scottish Seafood Association told the Daily Business Group: “The problem is definitely in Scotland, at the hubs prior to dispatch.

Fishing for Leave also laid the blame at the Scottish Government’s door.

Labelling the current scenario as a “disgrace”, they insisted the problems lie within a Scottish Government not being prepared for Brexit.

They said: “Nothing to do with Brexit- huge volumes go to the rest of the world on WTO.

Scottish Tory MP Banff and Buchan, David Duguid, claimed Holyrood is failing its fishermen.

He added: “The SNP don’t seem to be lifting a finger.

“How can they plausibly claim that Food Standards Scotland have enough resources when industry experts are telling us that checks in Scotland are taking five times as long as they should?

“It’s a sad fact that the government in Edinburgh are crossing their fingers and hoping for failure so they can try to score political points, instead of doing their job and giving the Scottish fishing industry all the necessary resources.”

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1381535/Nicola-Sturgeon-news-snp-Brexit-latest-fishing-processing-Scotland-fishing-for-leave

It is clear that the fisheries minister was not brought into discussions on the deal until after the event

Indeed, but this begs the question why not? Once the deal was made the least she could have tried to do was look up the bits which referred to fish.

I dont buy it, even if you Brexit apologists can't make enough excuses for Johnson. He had a whole year to get a Brexit deal through - so he arsed around until Christmas Eve and got a bad deal through. Then he tries to blame businesses for not being ready, or the SNP but he didn't bother to consult them in the first place, or Uncle Tom Cobbley an' all. None of it is Johnson's fault, none of it comes down to him being a lazy so and so who deliberately chose a Cabinet of mediocrities.

Marcus Rashford seems to be able to make the BJ nimble....... shameful really.
BJ's own ed dept set the std's of those food parcels and if they'd not been caught out, kids would still be getting them.

Wait and see for what? That the UK macro-economic future isn't damaged? What about personal freedoms we know have already been lost? Individual livelihoods already at stake? Come back in a year or two and reveal some benefits.

Yes, full marks to Rashford or whoever exposed them. It would be one they wanted to keep quiet.

got a bad deal through.

Personally I don't think it is a bad deal and we are less than 2 weeks in.

BJ's own ed dept set the std's of those food parcels

The standards are here - they look fine to me;

laca.co.uk/laca-view/free-school-meals-guidance-producing-food-parcels

A year or two - well let's see:

Larry Elliot the Guardian's Lexiter suggests that farmers will either automate or will start to pay better wages. Better wages could start now, from this week's paypacket. Automation will take longer depending on whether the machinery is already available for purchase, or whether it's yet to be invented. But yes, they are measurable tangible benefits.

He didn't mention the third option - that the farmers would just go bankrupt.