What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

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In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

@Toptotoeunicolour

I know you didn't - other posters are trying to say that those donating to the Leave campaign are bad just for making money out of it. My point is that making money out of any market move is not bad, and not the reason why they donate.

Sorry Toptotoeinunicokour I missed your post, I see where you were coming from now.

And Arron Banks. Imagine Arron spending £8,000,000 on something because he’s such an altruistic guy that just wants to look out for the little people.

Political donations need to stop from wherever they are from.

Distorts the democratic process, be it Russian money pouring into the Tory party or union membership fees going to Labour.

As for Soros, a currency speculator makes a fortune from a disastrous tory Govt policy! wow! who'd have thought?

Trade Union members vote on whether they want to be affiliated to Labour. I belong to one which isn't.

Russian money pouring into any party is a different matter.

Waffle, Distraction techniques, Nothing point, Laughable, Remoaners, pathetic, Double standards, Blinded by hubris.

Your posts make a good game of word BINGO Terry.
Here’s one for you : cliché.

Hey! The Soros argument. I love it when blatantly antisemitic arguments crawl out of the woodwork for all to see.
Have we had "globalists " yet?

What antisemitic argument? I brought Soros up. I have nothing but respect for Soros. My argument was that what he is doing is not bad (it's just a job, one that he does far better than most other people you can mention) and no different than what the donators to the Leave movement did. It's got no more to do with his religion than Aaron Banks, Crispin Odey's job as to to do with theirs (have no idea and couldn't care less what their religion is).
We had exactly this discussion on these boards about 3 years ago and it ended with people saying "we all know you're racist" comments. Just utter 100% rubbish.

And as for bingo, that's works both ways too. Disaster capitalism anyone?

Political donations need to stop from wherever they are from.
I agree. Likewise, MP having second jobs in commercial companies.

I just love the shout out of antisemitism (where, can't see it?) when GS is name is even mentioned, yet a lot of remainers were more than willing to vote the anti-semetic party Labour Party in 2019?

Aaron Banks did not give £8m to Leave
he was the conduit for Putin's money.

Toptotoe Brexit is Banks’ religion - same with Odey.

Belief in Brexit, however misguided, is almost certainly capable of protection as a philosophical belief under the Equality Act (an ET has already decided, for example, that belief in Scottish Independence can be a philosophical belief - see www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=82734a79-d710-4d81-b25a-9d3f5be791e7)

Understanding Brexit as a philosophical belief system helps to explain the lack of any supportable economic or business case, and the sense among so many Leave voters that no such case need ever be made.

It’s about the myth of ‘sovereignty’ as a shared idea.

That’s not to say that banks and odey don’t have their own personal financial case for supporting Brexit - of course they do - but a religious ideology drawing on people’s need to belong and to other other people is a very effective way of persuading millions of people to come along with you without needing to explain your real motivation. Very clever stuff.

Brexit as religion? I thought their God was money. Still, it may amount to the same thing.

Aw, bless! Still thinking people who voted Remain supported Corbyn. It's soooo sweeet how deluded this is.

I voted Remain. I don't think I have ever voted Labour in 50 years of voting. Certainly never in a GE. Maybe in the dim distant past where a local councillor was a decent person.

Yep. Still an echo chamber.

What have we gained by Brexit
I had hoped that those who wanted it would be cheerily making a success of it.
Instead they still seem to be intent upon stamping around and insulting people
while ignoring the logistical tussles ahead.
Ho hum.

Ah so Terry's shift has come back on. I thought it was quiet earlier.

Funny isn't it LQ? If you win something you don't need to denigrate your opponents.

@DisorganisedPurpose

*We'll be free to make new deals with other countries

We always were weren't we?*

No I don't think so. This is one of the main benefits promoted. We were not able to make an independent trade deal with other countries while in the EU. The EU as a whole could make a trade deal though with an external country.

And who are these magic countries? and what will we sell them - considering what we produce and the distance travelled.

Our government chose to implement the EU laws the way they saw fit - they could have had different restrictions as they did for Romania when it joined the union.

As for not complying with EU standards - how will one export to the EU if it doesn't comply with their standards.

We've lost a lot and the only gains so far is a stronger EU 27, hopefully, a reunited Ireland and an Independent Scotland.

How come Germany is the third largest exporter after the China and the USA when it doesn't make trade deals?

Well, these poor folks really hit the Brexit jackpot.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/03/britons-living-in-spain-barred-from-madrid-flight-in-post-brexit-travel-row?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

I fully expect us to be here in one years time, asking for a list of great things which have happened because of Brexit.

The list will be extremely short.

Tory HQ are claiming Brexit wins, but the background truth is quite easy to research ourselves, although there are also useful factcheck groups out there:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/55522329

We have gained more red tape. Does that count as a win?