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What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

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Elephant4 · 29/12/2020 18:39

In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

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DoubleTweenQueen · 01/01/2021 22:14

How many wealthy 'Leave' donors are staying and investing in the UK, postBrexit? I would be interested to know that..

SabrinaThwaite · 01/01/2021 22:16

@TerryHearn

I think you’ve forgotten Crispin Odey (worth £825 million) who donated £800k to Leave and then made £220 million by shorting shares over the referendum.

Good return eh?

Hero of the ordinary working man eh?

Kendodd · 01/01/2021 22:22

Michael gove thinks that one benefit will be that businesses will have more red tape and this will make them better at it; this will give them a competitive advantage 🤨

Yes, I heard him say that as well. I did think, why don't they just introduce all that paperwork on domestic sales as well then? Then we could all be really expert at navigating forms and selling overseas would be no different to selling to your next door neighbour!

Toptotoeunicolour · 01/01/2021 22:28

And Soros betted that Remain would win and also donated to the Remain campaign. So what? That doesn't make him a bad person any more than anyone who betted/donated the other way. It just happens that that time he got it wrong, but can you imagine the PR if he had got it right?
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eu-referendum-george-soros-bets-uk-staying-europe-a7072896.html]

Kendodd · 01/01/2021 22:28

Well its 'win, win' for Putin. Damage both the UK and the EU in one manipulative master stroke.

HeyHeyImABeLeaver · 01/01/2021 22:34

And Soros betted that Remain would win and also donated to the Remain campaign. So what? That doesn't make him a bad person any more than anyone who betted/donated the other way.

Where did I say anyone on any of those lists is a bad person - weirdConfused

Mistigri · 01/01/2021 22:34

$8.3bn (£0.5m)

Now you are just making numbers up.

TerryHearn · 01/01/2021 22:36

[quote SabrinaThwaite]@TerryHearn

I think you’ve forgotten Crispin Odey (worth £825 million) who donated £800k to Leave and then made £220 million by shorting shares over the referendum.

Good return eh?

Hero of the ordinary working man eh?[/quote]
I now bring Exhibit B. George Soros (Remainer) and his bet against the British Pound.

In Britain, Black Wednesday, which occurred on September 16, 1992, is now known as the day when speculators "broke the pound," which is an euphemism created to describe the moment in time when they came together to force the British government to pull the pound from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM).

It was during the summer of 1992 when Soros began building a short position in the British pound. According to his colleagues, he carried a $1.5 billion short position for most of the summer. The British government defended the pound by raising interest rates more and more. The government soon realized it would pay out massive amounts of money to defend the pound. German officials also made public statements that realignment within the ERM might be possible in mid-September.

In response to these comments by German officials, Soros decided to increase the size of his bet massively. He went from a $1.5 billion position to a massive $10 billion in the middle of September.1 He knew that the British government was having trouble keeping the currency propped up. Either the pound stayed relatively stable, in which case Soros and his investors would lose a little money, or the alternative was their bet would pay off. Thus, this was a low-risk, high-opportunity trade.

The British government was forced to abandon the ERM and begin allowing its currency to float freely on the evening of Sept. 16, 1992. The next day the pound fell 15% versus the German mark and 25% against the U.S. dollar.4 It is estimated Soros pocketed $1 billion on the deal and cemented his reputation as the premier currency speculator in the world.

You were saying?

Toptotoeunicolour · 01/01/2021 22:36

I know you didn't - other posters are trying to say that those donating to the Leave campaign are bad just for making money out of it. My point is that making money out of any market move is not bad, and not the reason why they donate.

HeyHeyImABeLeaver · 01/01/2021 22:38

@Mistigri

$8.3bn (£0.5m)

Now you are just making numbers up.

Give me a minute, I’m double checking.
SabrinaThwaite · 01/01/2021 22:42

I wasn’t saying anything about Soros.

Nice cut and paste from Investopedia by the way. It’s generally good form to reference on here BTW.

But your silence about Odey and his specific actions around betting on the referendum result speaks volumes.

HTH

HeyHeyImABeLeaver · 01/01/2021 22:42

Ooh refreshed and don’t need to double check I think Terry has pretty much got it covered.

Mistigri · 01/01/2021 22:45

Give me a minute, I’m double checking.

So you copy pasted numbers that were obviously bilge hoping no one would notice? Or you just can't do basic math?

TerryHearn · 01/01/2021 22:46

@SabrinaThwaite

I wasn’t saying anything about Soros.

Nice cut and paste from Investopedia by the way. It’s generally good form to reference on here BTW.

But your silence about Odey and his specific actions around betting on the referendum result speaks volumes.

HTH

Odey? He runs a hedge fund. It’s what he does. It’s the equivalent of putting a bet on the football team you support to win the local derby. He thought we would vote leave. So he put a bet on it.

Now back to Soros. Yes the words are from Investopedia. It saves me time paraphrasing the story we already know about. He’s a speculator. He has screwed Britain in the past.

Mistigri · 01/01/2021 22:47

I see the Soros obsessives are around tonight. Not antisemitic at all.

RoSEbuds6 · 01/01/2021 22:52

tenredthings

If you're a rich sociopathic businessman I would have thought you'd be looking forward to the potentially lower taxes, the scrapping of minimum wage, abolishing workers rights and having less environmental constraints etc.

This is my fear too.

TerryHearn · 01/01/2021 22:52

@Mistigri

I see the Soros obsessives are around tonight. Not antisemitic at all.
Genuinely concerned for you if you can bring up racism in this discussion. Seriously worrying. Are you actually requiring help?
SabrinaThwaite · 01/01/2021 22:53

OK, so Soros is very, very bad because he bets on currencies and exploited the ERM, but Odey is perfectly fine and spiffing because he runs hedge funds and just bets on shares being hit by a Brexit vote that he had explicitly funded?

Okaaaay ...

HeyHeyImABeLeaver · 01/01/2021 22:54

@Mistigri

I see the Soros obsessives are around tonight. Not antisemitic at all.
Wow😮 new low right there!!
Peregrina · 01/01/2021 22:55

When does your shift finish TerryHearn? It's a bit late now in Moscow, time for beddy-byes.

SabrinaThwaite · 01/01/2021 22:56

@Mistigri

I see the Soros obsessives are around tonight. Not antisemitic at all.
Yes, funny that. Soros is always the convenient fallback.

No mention of Banks and his £8 million funding for Leave.

TerryHearn · 01/01/2021 23:01

@SabrinaThwaite

OK, so Soros is very, very bad because he bets on currencies and exploited the ERM, but Odey is perfectly fine and spiffing because he runs hedge funds and just bets on shares being hit by a Brexit vote that he had explicitly funded?

Okaaaay ...

No. I think they are both doing what they do. But if you bring up Crispin Odey then I will bring up George Soros.

What point are you making Sabrina? You bring up Odey and I counter with Soros. But apparently now I am arguing that one is guilty (Soros) and Odey is an ok guy. You are seeing things again. Nowhere has that been said.

There were Remainers and Brexiteers who stood to gain with their side winning. Do you think this is news? That people have vested interests? Are you shocked that people make bets on things they want to see happen. And that if what they bet on comes in that they make money on it. Ever heard of gambling?

Toptotoeunicolour · 01/01/2021 23:01

@Mistigri

I see the Soros obsessives are around tonight. Not antisemitic at all.
This is literally hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.
TerryHearn · 01/01/2021 23:02

When you are losing the argument play the race card...

Stay classy.

SabrinaThwaite · 01/01/2021 23:12

Well Terry you didn’t actually bring up Soros, you piggy backed on someone else’s trope.

Then you just C&Ped Investipedia.

And then you indulge in whataboutery - it’s OK for Odey to specifically invest in Leave to manipulate the markets to make money around the referendum because Soros ...