The Brexit Arms

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And so it is done....! 🙌

Finally!

🥳 🎉 🇬🇧 🍾 🥂

Merry Xmas!!

hey the anonymous internet makes us all rude even about the wonderful scientists who have created this vaccine and am guessing none of us would swear at in real life whatever our politics!

Anyway this thread means am nice to the real life brexiteers - I know who to be fair are not this type of celebration. Looking forward to the brexit arms celebrating genuine brexit wins going forward

Hi OP. You, and other Brexiteers, obviously cared a lot. Otherwise you wouldn't be so ecstatic with Brexit! Your language says it all.

hey the anonymous internet makes us all rude even about the wonderful scientists who have created this vaccine and am guessing none of us would swear at in real life whatever our politics!

Who has been rude about the scientists?
Who has implied that they would 'swear at' them in real life?

I have no idea what posts you're reading 🤷🏻‍♀️

Maybe you're confusing this thread with another one? 🤔

Hello Dg390 . Bands and artists have been touring Europe and the world long before we joined the ECM. Have you never heard of carnets? Booking agents deal with such paperwork.

Your other post is a Strawman. The Oxford Uni contingent of the Great Barrington Declaration signatories, are I suspect mostly pro remain. Ought us Brexiteers disagree with them and disapprove of their conclusions and recommendations systematically because we disagree over the matter of EU membership?

Next June it will have been half a decade since we voted for independence, and here you still are looking for conflicts. When you can't find them you pluck them out of mid air as if they actually exist.

Yes of course we could do international stuff before. I'm old. I did it. I even had a proper blue passport- not the Poundland shit that passes for one now (compared to my Irish one it's really dull). But it was harder. And it needed a lot of effort (and usually a fair bit of cash saved up) . My family was used to doing it. Most other kids in my school weren't from that kind of travelling /working /emigrating abroad background.
You lot just put up barriers for ordinary kids.
Good work, eh.

@Jaypreen "Your other post is a Strawman. The Oxford Uni contingent of the Great Barrington Declaration signatories, are I suspect mostly pro remain. Ought us Brexiteers disagree with them and disapprove of their conclusions and recommendations systematically because we disagree over the matter of EU membership?"

Can you explain what you’re trying to say here? I can see some usual suspect phrasing, but have not a jot of a clue what you’re on about

There are three signatories to the ‘GBD’ from Oxford (Uni) - two from the area of oncology; one psychiatry. What does it have to do with anything, let alone Brexit??

It has about as much to do with Brexit as Pro independence people being told that they shouldn't celebrate the coming vaccine because the scientists working on it were likely pro remain.

You lot just put up barriers for ordinary kids . No, neither Brexit nor "us lot" is the cause of their problems. It is the EU which places restrictions on travel and work in the EU by non-EU people.

I lived in SW France for almost 6 years and used to watch American bands and artists all the time. I would also drop down to Barcelona where exactly the same it true.

Hi Jaypreen, it has to do with the fact that a large number of the scientists working on this vaccine and other ones that have been developed to deal with Covid and other diseases are EU nationals. It's as simple as that.

"It is the EU which places restrictions on travel and work in the EU by non-EU people. "

And if they weren't non-eu people??
As for your trips to see American bands? Were these unsigned poor kids with no money and a great sound? Or .....

As simple as what? Do you believe pro Brexit people do not wish to see talented skilled professionals working here anymore?

Busking might be different. I would say it is a demonstration of just how awful the EU can be. It is not the UK who;s requiring visas for artists to work in the EU. It's the member countries.

I don’t know if the UK requires European artists to have a visa to work here. If not, one way to stop this nonsense is to for the UK to require one. The UK's the place to be for talented artists and, as with trade, I suspect the balance of movement of unsigned poor kids with no money and a great sound would be from there to here.

Some pro-brexit may do as you say. But those EU nationals and even British ones may not want it anymore given the views of so many people here and in the society at large about migrants. There is a massive exodus of successful researchers from UK HE and it all has to do with Brexit and the attitudes of people posting on this thread.

"It is the EU which places restrictions on travel and work in the EU by non-EU people. "

Seriously? Are you being deliberately ridiculous? If we hadn't left OR if Johnson had had the ability to negotiate for one of our greatest assets (our creative young people) they would still be able to go on the cheap.

But now, it's all about what dahling mamah and papah can afford for your gap yah. Ordinary young people are shut out by short sighted stupidity.

given the views of so many people here and in the society at large about migrants It seems you are projecting your own prejudices about British people here. Do you suppose that it's only in this country where people are questioning the wisdom of open borders? I suspect if you were to ask the average German what they think of the the 2 million or so Syrians Frau Merkel opened their doors to, or to Parisians what they think of the tent cities of Africans cropping up all over that city, you'd find similar sentiments expressed. Where is your proof that a massive exodus of successful researchers from UK HE and it all has to do with Brexit and the attitudes of people posting on this thread? More projections I suspect?

Happily jumping from issue to issue there Jay. When the questions get too difficult you can just say everyone is being mean.

I can see why you are pro brexit if any time someone raises an issue you just say it is all fine. “just get a carnet” and turn the clock back 40 years doesn’t work and isn’t viable ...but always good to be able to tell people who
Are losing their livelihoods that they are imagining it !!! Look at the
Musicians union website or anyone of loads of arts and music tweeters. I can actually get why you might see that losing these jobs is worth it for your view or sovereignty though not agree. But don’t pretend a fantasy world where there are no issues. Still I guess people
Who do the actual job aren’t worth listening to
Any more

I am going to celebrate the success of the Oxford vaccine and I don't care what nationality the researches were. Nor do I care about their politics any more than I expect them to care about mine. Our great universities are world renowned and will always attract the brightest and the best. But it is irrelevant.
We have a life saving vaccine.
We have a great trade deal which leaves us free to made trade deals with nations across the world
We are free of the ECJ.
We are not paying millions into the deep hole of the EU to pay for flags, anthems, buildings, President ..
We have control of our coastal waters

Please point out where I've jumped from issue to issue bellinisurge Then explain how and why that's a problem for you?

It's a problem for me because I can accept alternative opinions but seeing people in the thrall of a cult is tragic.

given the views of so many people here and in the society at large about migrants

"Here"

Meaning this thread?

Why come here to goad & troll with lies?
Please take it elsewhere 🙄

I accept that you wish to prolong your whining criticism of people who voted for independence, [possibly for another four years].

But tell me specifically where I jumped from 'issue to issue' as per your previous accusation?

Dg390. So Boris should have drawn a line in the sand over buskers? It seems what you're saying is the "immediate and profound shock to our economy" that Project Fear predicted would happen as soon as we voted to leave the EU is finally going to arrive nearly 5 years late, and in the niche form of British people who want to stand outside shops abroad while wailing away to their guitar accompaniment needing to do some paperwork if they want to do this in Amsterdam and Paris just as they already do if they want to do it in New York or Sydney?

You may need to do a bit more to convince people that some paperwork for buskers makes strengthening this country's democracy and sovereign independence so disastrous.

Have searched this thread in vain for anything to celebrate...
The deal is shit - you know it, I know it, we all know it.