The Brexit Arms

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And so it is done....! 🙌

Finally!

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Merry Xmas!!

Cautiously relieved! 🇬🇧

Am busy with 'stuff' tonight (as is everyone else! 😂) but will come back to this thread after Xmas defo

Looking forward to seeing more old faces on here in lead up to New Year 🍾😍

In the meantime, I just read this piece that pretty much perfectly encapsulates my thoughts on it all:

unherd.com/2020/12/boris-has-succeeded-where-all-others-failed/

Merry Xmas! 🎄 🎅🏻 🥂

Merry Christmas, fellow Armers!

It has been a long haul but despite the best efforts of the establishment, we have finally prevailed. The UK is again on course to be a free, independent and sovereign nation once more!

Merry Christmas Lily and all fellow Brexit Armers.

No crowing here, just quiet relief, that against all odds, democracy has prevailed.

It is done.

Likewise, here replete with Christmas dinner, I am enjoying the quiet peace of what I hope will begin a prolonged phase of temperate sensible politics. Happy Christmas everyone

If the Brexit arms is in tier 2, I hope the meals being served are substantial.

I was sad to think we'd finally left the EU yesterday but as more comes out..... all in all, happy, we remain in close orbit to the EU, we cannot move away from soooo many EU standards, even EHIC remains.

If agreement was held up by fish, then the UK must have backed down big time, just 25% is given back to our coastal communities, even i thought that is pathetic.

Fishing is worth rather less than Games Workshop annually. Let's just buy it back slowly.

Tier 2 here, and the meals are definitely substantial.

Jasjas, don't lament, the UK wrote most of the standards you want to keep to. So we shall continue to follow them. And let the EU catch up on our animal welfare and food hygiene standards.

XingMing I can drink to that! We are where we are as they say!

It looks like all present employment and environmental standards are now for keeps...UK is tied in to these :)

On fishing though, i am saddened, i never liked the CFP and i did think an adv to Brexit was to take back full control of our waters and have our own sustainable fishing policies, in conjunction with other fishing states.

It may be a small apart of GDP but the environment is very important.

Hi folks, just so you know what it is you're celebrating (not much to celebrate IMO but hey ho, each to their own), here is an easy chart of the deal: looks like the EU has got what they want, and is just sitting back waiting for the Brits to slowly realise what it is we've lost....

Exactly Helocariad hardly cause for celebration 🤔

Helio, you have left out sovereignty, new points based immigration system, control of our waters, trade deals with the rest of the world, £B we won't be paying to the EU

Yehay - I've brought some Logs and started the Fire - there's a Storm coming in.

I've done a little NC, just for anachronym purposes, so now I'm THING. I don't know if Roast Parsnips are considered a substantial meal but if anyone else is cooking then they are to me.

Deal's fine by me btw. Pint of Best please - I've brought my own Twiglets.

That 'tick list' of benefits we have apparently thrown away is pretty lame. If we were asked to give away our sovereignty for such a feeble list, we would never consider them worth it.

Thanks LL - I'll pop off home for now. I've found the Fireside Rockers, dusted them off and placed them by the Fire.

Unfortunately 'H' died, of many things, including CV 19 and he left his Chairspace to 'U'. She hasn't said much yet, but seems to enjoy gently rocking by the fireside.

She seemed to reallly like the Roast Parsnips and asked if she could have them again tomorrow but with a bit of Fish.

I have no idea who she is, but I noticed her hipflask was engraved "V.D.L".

TheHate 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What exactly is sovereignty? Seriously now?

Isn't that what France used to close its border to the UK?

PMcG if you don't know what sovereignty is look it up.

I know the dictionary definition thanks. I'm just not clear on the brexiter's definition. The two are definately not the same.

Johnson appears to have done well but - we don’t really know the details yet.

I think it's a not unreasonable deal. Nobody got their complete wishlist. I don't think the UK has been shafted, but the EU wasn't either. It would be daft to think anyone won big time. This is not the Y3 playground. Our economy is now based on intellect and services; other countries do agriculture and manufacturing better. So we specialise.

Go back in time 700 years, and the cities that emerged then did so because they concentrated on skills; leather and gold, if we look at Florence as a fairly random example. The UK will forget auto assembly in favour of very specialist parts manufacture. We will make films and video games and do really high tech medical stuff. I think it will be a very difficult world for anyone who doesn't have a really good basic education, or a trade skill.

Happy Christmas! We're finally getting Brexit done.

I for one am happy to volunteer to be one of the first to lose my job and live on nothing but turnips, it's a small price to pay to make me feel like a winner just like all those lovely hedge funders who share my ideals.

PMcG. My definition of democracy is the same as our Government's and the same as the dictionary.

PMcG
Same applies to sovereignty

@yellowspanner

Sovereignty means having power over your own country.

Sovereignty is just a concept unless you do something with it. Sovereign nations enter agreements with other sovereign nations in which both sides agree to be bound by certain rules. It doesn't reduce either side's sovereignty to do this.

Do you think the other EU member states are not sovereign? If so, who is sovereign over them?

Do you think that if we enter trade agreements with other nations then we'll no longer be sovereign?

I think by sovereignty many Brexit supporters mean Imperial power, the ability to do what we want without any compromise or consequence. That doesn't exist now and it's shameful that it ever did.

Arguably Brexit reduces our sovereignty as we will now follow EU rules without any role in shaping them.