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And so it is done....! 🙌

Finally!

🥳 🎉 🇬🇧 🍾 🥂

Merry Xmas!!

All this talk of "sovereignty" and "taking back control" comes from the advertising campaign slogans dreamed up by Dominic Cummings during the referendum campaign.

I have to hand it to Cummings, he conducted a masterful campaign, used up to date advertising methods and cutting edge technology to infiltrate and influence people's opinions and views. The Remain campaign was very amateurish by comparison.

Brexit, to me, is testament to the power of clever advertising. There was, of course, no control to be taken back, it was merely a slogan. But people latched onto it. They wanted something to change and saw leaving the EU as way of making change come about. Change is indeed coming, but probably not any sort of beneficial change for the vast majority of people.

If you haven't seen it yet, I recommend Brexit: the Uncivil War

Definitely yay to the vaccine news which will save so many lives - on what we agree . As to the rest it isn’t a brexit success - but have fun ignoring the views of all the wonderful scientists who made it happen and enjoy claiming it for brexit! And enjoy your celebrations - I am sure everyone who is losing their jobs because of brexit will be very happy that you are happy

the scientists who created it as someone close to it rightly said are not brexiteers, the scientific community was as almost as one vehemently and with detailed reasons anti brexit

have fun ignoring the views of all the wonderful scientists who made it happen

As surprising as it may be to you, I literally could not give a single, solitary fuck what the politics of the scientists who worked on the vaccine are/were 🤷🏻‍♀️

the scientists who created it as someone close to it rightly said are not brexiteers, the scientific community was as almost as one vehemently and with detailed reasons anti brexit and brexit context is not what created the vaccine. So find some actual brexit things to celebrate.

I think this is definitely a Brexit success, we weren't reliant on the EMA and EU red tape, we were free to do our own thing and have been very successful.

We also have one of the best genome sequencing facilities in Europe.

How is it going for the EMA? The EU made a decision to show a united and collective front and it was agreed that all countries would get their vaccines through them. EU Countries are now getting annoyed with this (especially Germany) as they say the EMA have been slow to approve, have not ordered sufficient and have backed the wrong vaccine horses. Germany are now buying their own in but have left it too late and won’t have sufficient until the back end of 2021.

Oh, and the EMA had their vaccine trials hacked.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-planning-disaster-germany-and-europe-could-fall-short-on-vaccine-supplies-a-3db4702d-ae23-4e85-85b7-20145a898abd-amp

We will have all our elderly and CEV people vaccinated in the next couple of months - is that something to celebrate? To bloody right it is, so whoohoo to us 🎊🎊.

@HeyHeyImABeLeaver This: www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4759

Specifically, this:
Usually, the UK would wait for the European Medicines Agency to approve a vaccine before looking to distribute it, but in an emergency EU countries are allowed to use their own regulator to issue temporary authorisation. In October the government made changes to the Human Medicines Regulations 2012 to allow the MHRA to grant temporary authorisation of a covid-19 vaccine without needing to wait for the EMA.

This is very much to do with Brexit, however:
www.cancerresearchuk.org/sites/default/files/the_uks_future_relationship_with_the_european_medicines_agency_october_2019.pdf

• while you’re happy to seemingly trash the EMA!

Good afternoon Brexiteers,
Tomorrow night I will be cracking open the champagne to celebrate our freedom from the EU and our Oxford vaccine. Two great triumphs.
I read that M Barnier was incandescent because Lord Frost kept referring to the EU as "your organisation" . He was definitely the right person to lead our negotiations because, apparently he had worked in Brussels for a long time and knew the workings of the EU well. Boris chose well when he chose him.

Doubletween - That link is not secure.

The cancer research one, so can't read it.

Fine for me - I'm sure there are alternatives useful references to be looked up, if anyone's interested

Usually, the UK would wait for the European Medicines Agency to approve a vaccine before looking to distribute it, but in an emergency EU countries are allowed to use their own regulator to issue temporary authorisation. In October the government made changes to the Human Medicines Regulations 2012 to allow the MHRA to grant temporary authorisation of a covid-19 vaccine without needing to wait for the EMA.

So why didn't other countries use their own regulators?

I'm not trashing the EMA as a whole but right now, when it really matters, when 27 countries and their economies are just about hanging in there, delays and insufficient quantities of vaccine are a problem.

That's a good CR article actually.

So why didn't other countries use their own regulators?

Sovereignty?

Perhaps the UK Gvmnt were tired of the neg pr and wanted to do something they could herald as a Brexit win? Being cynical, of course......

The other 27 countries don't each have their own candidate at a suitably advanced stage to expedite unilaterally?

@DoubleTweenQueen

Perhaps the UK Gvmnt were tired of the neg pr and wanted to do something they could herald as a Brexit win? Being cynical, of course......

Well, I'm good with that if it saves lives and gets our economy up and running again.

Have the EU ordered any of the Oxford vaccine do we know?

So desperate to find the oneupmanship opportunities!

In total, the EU has booked nearly 1.3 billion vaccines in deals with Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca/Oxford, Sanofi/GSK and CureVac, and has options to buy another 660 million.

www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-eu-pfizer-idUSKBN28R19D

Celebrate this... (see many other threads on the same subject, posted by legal experts). Marvellous.

Jason118. Did you read the full article?, booking on paper is one thing actually having the goods delivered is something else.

In total, the EU has booked nearly 1.3 billion vaccines in deals with Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca/Oxford, Sanofi/GSK and CureVac, and has options to buy another 660 million.

But clinical tests of the vaccines being developed by AstraZeneca and Sanofi have suffered delays, and CureVac has not yet begun large-scale trials

Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca could submit applications to EU regulators by March, the head of the EU drugs regulator said last week.

Hi OP, you may not give a 'fuck' (sic) about their political preferences but the Oxford team, like many other research teams in UK HE institutions, are EU nationals. UK research reputation would be nothing without those. Sadly for those that care about such things such as solving pressing issues such as health, researchers have already left the UK and will continue to do so due to the bigoted attitudes of both politicians and the public. You shouldn't expect either that these will be replaced by non-EU researchers, as the UK is now known worldwide as a bigoted and racist country.

Funny, I could have sworn this was a Brexit thread - if the title can be believed. Seems to have turned into a Covid-19 vaccine thread.
Everybody in the world can celebrate the development and delivery of successful vaccines.
Just because it is happening at the same time as the end of the transition period does not mean one made the other happen. Luckily, most Brexit supporters are too smart to fall into that trap.

Everything good is obviously because of Brexit. Everything shite is because of those wreckers. 😂😂😂😂😂

Luckily, most Brexit supporters are too smart to fall into that trap

Silly old me

Lunchtime drink in order🍷Cheers all.

Trivia - the development of the 'Oxford' vaccine was supported by early small scale manufacture at a facility in Italy, which expedited the clinical trials getting off to a quick start. It's a wonderful and beneficial thing when the scientific and pharma communities work together.
The EU is currently immunising with the Pfizer-BioNTech product.

Hi OP, you may not give a 'fuck' (sic) about their political preferences but the Oxford team, like many other research teams in UK HE institutions, are EU nationals.

Also don't give a single, solitary fuck regarding what nationality the scientists working on the vaccines are 🤷🏻‍♀️

I literally could not care where ANY OF THEM were born, raised, live now, or what their politics are

It has the square root of fuck all to do with my choosing to celebrate the approval & impending roll-out of a life-saving vaccine

It is not for you, or anyone else, to decide who or what I can celebrate
(and I'm utterly flummoxed as to why you thought you had that power to wield in the first place... delusions of grandeur indeed 🤦🏻‍♀️)

Funny, I could have sworn this was a Brexit thread - if the title can be believed. Seems to have turned into a Covid-19 vaccine thread.

Funny, I could have sworn this was a thread of many years standing which has historically covered many different topics & celebrated or bemoaned many different things 🤷🏻‍♀️