Realistically, how close are we to a deal?

[Woahisme]

I have read multiple articles on this, some more up to date than others, saying we could get a deal. Now it looks as though we might not. How likely is it that we will?

@Clavinova

Sorry, I have no idea what you're on about.

Dozens of misquotes and carefully edited video clips - supposedly showing that the Leave campaign promised to stay in the single market in 2016.

2 points I'll mention:

1. If it was widely talked about that we would leave the SM and CU (I'm not disputing this at all) , then I stick with my earlier point that it was a foolish decision to vote Leave.

2. I havent seen any nor circulated any edited video clips that falsify the claim the of leaving the SM and CU. I certainly haven't made any myself and was completely unaware of them til you pointed it out. And I'm taking you at face value here.

So in essence, your comments are not really anything to do with my point 1 above ^^

@Clavinova

Sorry, I have no idea what you're on about.

Dozens of misquotes and carefully edited video clips - supposedly showing that the Leave campaign promised to stay in the single market in 2016.

Plenty of speeches by Bojo saying he would vote to stay in the SM, that the UK would have unfettered access to the SM, that britons would be able to live work and travel in the EU as before.

All Horseshit, he makes it up as he goes along.

You know this as well as i do Clav.

Plenty of speeches by Bojo saying he would vote to stay in the SM

Not in 2016 as far as I can see.

@Clavinova

Plenty of speeches by Bojo saying he would vote to stay in the SM

Not in 2016 as far as I can see.

Amazing how principals can change within 12 months isn't it Clav, esp when no10 beckons! try 2015?

However, i agree Leave made it clear we would exit the SM/CU, i was under no illusions.
But what they did rather cleverly was make the promises that even so, little would change & we would get back all this lost sovereignty as a big bonus (we'll leave out the 350m lol!)

try 2015?

So before David Cameron's lacklustre attempt at renegotiation with the EU in February 2016?

@Clavinova

try 2015?

So before David Cameron's lacklustre attempt at renegotiation with the EU in February 2016?

Proves what a slippery turd of a turn coat BJ is then. But we already knew that.

All this talk of an 'Australia style' deal is entirely disingenuous. Its literally putting lipstick on the pig that is no-deal. Wish he'd at least call it what it is.

@Igotjelly

All this talk of an 'Australia style' deal is entirely disingenuous. Its literally putting lipstick on the pig that is no-deal. Wish he'd at least call it what it is.

I was shouting at the radio during PMQs when he was waffling about an Australian-type deal. I wish Keir had raised that specific issue in response.

I think I need a description of what an Australia style deal is - I’m not sure!

There is a point system but not really a deal

Australia mainly trades on WTO terms, therefore it's code for no deal.

@MarshaBradyo

I think I need a description of what an Australia style deal is - I’m not sure!

There is a point system but not really a deal

Australia has a number of trade arrangements with the EU, outside of these its WTO, we wouldn't even have these.

So we would have a worse set up than Australia.

The Govt is using very misleading language.

try 2015?

So before David Cameron's lacklustre attempt at renegotiation with the EU in February 2016?

Yes. 2015 is before 2016.
DC got 4/5ths of what he asked for, doesn't seem lacklustre to me.

However, it doesn't take away from the fact Bojo used Brexit to gain power, he is hardly a Steve Baker is he?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-australia-no-deal-boris-johnson-malcolm-turnbull-b1769742.html

@NoWordForFluffy

Australia mainly trades on WTO terms, therefore it's code for no deal.

It’s not a code. It’s an outright lie to the gullible. Johnson propaganda to deflect the reality of his governments failings.

Malcolm Turnball talked about the excess friction in Aus / EU trading this morning - ie barriers that Aus is trying to remove. Aus style deal isn’t as good as it could be in any case.

Turnbull rather - actually that link below sums it up

And of course, Australia is only 20 miles away across the channel, so that fruit or veg picked that morning, could have arrived in the UK by lorry, by teatime!

And it also doesn't work for Aus hence they are currently seeking something better!

Chances of a deal now are slim and none

jasjas1973
try 2015?
Yes. 2015 is before 2016.

In fact you were 2 years off - it was 2013, not 2015 -

19 June 2016;
Speaking to Sky News after a video emerged in which he said he would vote to remain in the single market, the former London mayor said he made the remarks in 2013 after the Prime Minister had promised "we would have fundamental and far-reaching reform" of the European Union.

"We have had nothing of the kind," Mr Johnson said.

"The best solution for us is to have access to the single market, which we will freely have, but get out from under what I think are the disastrously undemocratic processes of the European Union."

news.sky.com/story/boris-defends-2013-single-market-support-10318418

However, it doesn't take away from the fact Bojo used Brexit to gain power, he is hardly a Steve Baker is he?

Perhaps not - but I expect Boris Johnson's wife (now ex) had some influence over his decision at the time;

Feb 2016 UK Human Rights Blog
Guest Contributor - Marina Wheeler (QC)

Cavalier with our Constitution: a Charter too far.

"My thesis is this: the reach of the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) in Luxembourg has extended to a point where the status quo is untenable. Aside from eroding national sovereignty, which it does, the current situation also undermines legal certainty, which in turn undermines good governance."

ukhumanrightsblog.com/2016/02/09/cavalier-with-our-constitution-a-charter-too-far/

All the more reason not to vote for someone with no moral integrity or principles Clav.

You aren't painting BJ in a good light. Not that anyone can

All the more reason not to vote for someone with no moral integrity or principles Clav.

Why did we have to listen to John Major's views on Brexit? Didn't he have a 4 year affair with Edwina Currie? Tony Blair's warmongering?

Really not the point Clav. If you have to bring other people in to make your argument valid, I would say your point is flimsy to begin with. Stay on topic my dear.

David Allen Green made a good point about Sovereignty this morning. Allow me to quote:

In general terms, being able to accept obligations is the very point of sovereignty: that a nation state can enter into a treaty means that it is a sovereign state.

........

An analogy is with being able to marry: when a person reaches their majority they can enter into a marriage contract should they so wish, but being in their majority does not compel them to either marry or not marry, and if they marry they can always divorce.

The Johnson-Frost approach to the ‘s’ word is confused.