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Realistically, how close are we to a deal?

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Woahisme · 03/12/2020 20:46

I have read multiple articles on this, some more up to date than others, saying we could get a deal. Now it looks as though we might not. How likely is it that we will?

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Woahisme · 11/12/2020 11:25

@DGRossetti

Is it just me, or has there been a slight shift in tactics in the open warfare of AIBU ?

There appears to be a new sort of poster ... the "Remainer" who is finding all this tiresome and doesn't like holding the lunatic leavers to account. Write large a sort of "We lost, so should go with the flow" sort of theme.

I think that's been the case since the referendum result.
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Peregrina · 11/12/2020 11:45

Why did we have to listen to John Major's views on Brexit?

One good reason is that he is one of the architects of the Good Friday Agreement, which was a huge achievement. Compare that with the blabbermouths in Johnson's Government.

Tony Blair certainly blew his credibility with the Iraq War - or otherwise his legacy would have been seen in the light of being another of the architects of the GFA.

Clavinova · 11/12/2020 11:49

David Allen Green made a good point about Sovereignty this morning.

Interesting article here - May 2020;

Our way or no way? German ECB ruling rocks EU foundations

*For what the panel of German jurists did was claim the right of national courts to decide when European law overrules local law, and when it doesn’t. That challenges the supremacy of the Luxembourg-based European Court of Justice (ECJ) and sets a precedent for future challenges by Eurosceptics across the bloc.^ ...

Since its founding 1957 Treaty of Rome, European Union has been an unparalleled experiment in national sovereignty-sharing. While members retain a great deal of autonomy, its rules set out where EU law–as interpreted by the ECJ–must hold sway.

To be sure, there has been a long history of national courts probing how far they can push their own competence, and of local politicians noisily complaining about EU “diktats”.

But the right of the ECJ to define where EU law is supreme was a principle that even Britain broadly accepted before its exit from the bloc this year. Now that notion has been disputed by a court of a founding EU member, which also happens to be its biggest economy and the main contributor to its budgets.

“I am very worried about the future of Europe,” said Luis Garciano, a liberal Spanish Member of the European Parliament.

“Europe cannot work if national constitutional courts decide unilaterally when the Luxembourg court has primacy. Expect Hungary’s and Poland’s constitutional courts to follow this precedent,” he said.

www.reuters.com/article/us-ecb-policy-germany-eu-analysis-idUSKBN22I1PZ

BlackForestCake · 11/12/2020 20:35

@Peregrina

Yet the funny thing with the level playing field is that Tory Governments have in the past shown little appetite for giving state aid.
Even the sleaziest Tory Governments of the past were not as openly corrupt as this one. Anyway, that state aid of the past was to subsidise industry, obviously a bad thing as that benefits oiks and plebs.

The new Tories have discovered they can just hand out taxpayers' money to their school chums and nobody even criticises them.

Morsmordre · 11/12/2020 22:01

@Peregrina

I absolutely blame those who put the Tories in last year. For the Referendum - no, it was advisory. A more sensible government would have gone away and done some proper research and come back with the options, one of which might have been the status quo. By last December, that was off the table, so yes, they are 100% to blame.
Well...if Labour had a stronger leader of the opposition going into the election, turning the hardcore voters in the North away and splitting the vote; coupled with the fact they were outed for deep rooted antisemitism across the party at the same time; maybe the result and our Brexit negotiations would be different right now? 🤔
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