Realistically, how close are we to a deal?

[Woahisme]

I have read multiple articles on this, some more up to date than others, saying we could get a deal. Now it looks as though we might not. How likely is it that we will?

Yes, well why hasn't he got it done? Why didn't he come back last night saying there was No Deal and we could get on with the future?

@Igotjelly

It makes me so angry, the people who voted for it will be blamed and told they "got what they voted for" when in reality how on earth was the average persom meant to understand the real implications. Then on top of that they were consistently lied to.

And I dread to think of the impact this could have to the fragile peace on Northern Irland.

The people that voted for it are to blame. They are adults and they shouldn't have voted to take us out of something they don't understand. They took the risk, they were not worried about the implications, so it's their fault. I feel angry that such people are in the majority and have caused this total disaster. Don't vote for risk if you don't understand the risk and don't complain when you get the blame for it. Scotland will leave as well because of this. Lets vote for change even though we don't know what change will come. It will be fine won't it, well it's not and yes brexiteers are to blame. Boris is a liar and yet people believed him and yes I blame every one of the people that voted for him and his buffoonery

That advert has not aged well at all.

I absolutely blame those who put the Tories in last year. For the Referendum - no, it was advisory. A more sensible government would have gone away and done some proper research and come back with the options, one of which might have been the status quo. By last December, that was off the table, so yes, they are 100% to blame.

How was the average person meant to know the implications?

A brief look at any form of social media or discussion with people will show you know matter how incompetent BJ is, they are still in denial about how bad things will be going forward. Like I said, I was discussing Brexit with work colleagues today. They think the worst that will happen is food price hikes. The shit hasn't even begun to hit the fan yet. And yet we have been repeatedly warned of the implications. And people choose to bury their heads in the sand. People are well aware of the implications and have been for ages. They just pay no mind to it. It happens a lot.

No matter*

It makes me so angry, the people who voted for it will be blamed and told they "got what they voted for" when in reality how on earth was the average persom meant to understand the real implications

People this thick should be banned from voting.

@BlueBrian

It makes me so angry, the people who voted for it will be blamed and told they "got what they voted for" when in reality how on earth was the average persom meant to understand the real implications

People this thick should be banned from voting.

Sorry but no, the information was all there for people before the referendum. Choosing to believe what they want to believe rather than listening to the bloody experts is on them.

@BlueBrian sorry that post was aimed at the person you quoted, not you.

But people before the Referendum only narrowly voted to Leave. There was no PTA asking about whether they wanted to leave the Customs union or single market, and at that stage it was still an open question.
By 2017 those options had been closed off. If people couldn't be bothered to read what was available after that date then yes, they are culpable.

There is no real new information. Leavers chose to ignore it or witter on about Project Fear. Turns out it was Project Reality.
Damn right I'm blaming people who voted for it.

And we are still getting a lot of talk from the media about how tough Johnson is being and it will be the EU's fault if there is No Deal. Well, this is what he wants. He just doesn't want to be the one carrying the can.

I know many leave voters who were openly so at the time. I don't blame them for voting leave if that's what they felt was in the nations best interest. I probably wont be all too sympathetic towards them though. And I will hold my tongue.

Igotjelly
Let's not forget Vote Leave and Boris promised we wouldn't leave the Customs Union and single Market

That's a false narrative -

8 May 2016;
"Michael Gove says leaving EU would mean quitting single market."

www.ft.com/content/0c5c74bc-151e-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e

May 9, 2016 - Boris Johnson’s speech on the EU referendum;

"What the government wants is for us to remain locked into the Single Market law-making regime, and to be exposed to 2500 new EU regulations a year. What we want is for Britain to be like many other countries in having free-trade access to the territory covered by the Single Market–but not to be subject to the vast, growing and politically-driven empire of EU law."

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/05/boris-johnsons-speech-on-the-eu-referendum-full-text.html

12 June 2016;
"David Cameron confirmed Sunday that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum."

"He said the Brexit campaign had made it clear to voters that voting to leave also meant pulling out of the single market."

www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

Makes voting for it even more foolish then Clav.

There's a lot to get fuming about with Brexit - and I think the top 5 change position depending on the weather.

However a persistent source of fuckwittery has been the attempt by some Leavers to justify their vote as in someway "the balance" to the vote to remain, and thus some weird Newtonian necessity in the dynamics of choice.

Voting to Remain was not some blind leap of faith and didn't require much more than a general acceptance that (a) things aren't too bad and (b) we feel comfortable about making changes in future if we so wish.

That is a totally different landscape to Leave which was basically "We want out even if we haven't a fucking clue what it means or what will happen".

The oft cited analogy of an airliner still makes sense. You either keep on flying, or press that button that does something you can't predict.

All of which highlights why referenda need a supermajority every time. Like the IndyRef 2 that Boris will try to kneecap sometime after the Scottish Parliament elections.

Makes voting for it even more foolish then Clav.

In which case I can't think why the Remain campaign kept peddling this false narrative - why go to all the trouble of disingenuous misquoting and editing of interviews?

It's all very well setting out the case for cake, but it's not, and never has been, on the menu.
It'll be fascinating to find out what our Brexit loving compatriots do once we have their no deal. Will they still be angry at getting what they wanted, or will they choose something else to be angry about, like maybe the wrong shade of tarmac on the Brexit garages?

They'll say we could have had a deal if the Remainers hadn't sabotaged it by not wanting to leave.

They'll say we could have had a deal if the Remainers hadn't sabotaged it by not wanting to leave.

Fair point.

Can just imagine the amount of anger and moaning there'll be from the Brexiters about all the Brexit shit that's heading their way.

@Clavinova

They'll say we could have had a deal if the Remainers hadn't sabotaged it by not wanting to leave.

Fair point.

Fair point they'll say that or fair point Remainers sabotaged it?

If you think Remainers sabotaged a possible deal you are deluded both to what could ever have been achieved and the power of the Remainers to influence outcome.

Fair point they'll say that or fair point Remainers sabotaged it?

Both - common sense that a united front has more power and influence.

@Clavinova

Makes voting for it even more foolish then Clav.

In which case I can't think why the Remain campaign kept peddling this false narrative - why go to all the trouble of disingenuous misquoting and editing of interviews?

Sorry, I have no idea what you're on about.

Sorry, I have no idea what you're on about.

Dozens of misquotes and carefully edited video clips - supposedly showing that the Leave campaign promised to stay in the single market in 2016.