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Westminstenders: Where are we now?

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2020 21:21

Twenty thousand people
Cross Bösebrücke
Fingers are crossed
Just in case
Walking the dead

Where are we now, where are we now?
The moment you know, you know, you know

Just that.

Don't really want to reflect more than that right now.

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BigChocFrenzy · 21/06/2020 14:28

"everyone was interested in being the next but one Tory leader. "

It still was the case last year. with either No Deal Brexit or a humiliating climbdown

BJ was just too lazy and self-obsessed to notice he was pencilled in as the sacrificial scapegoat

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 21/06/2020 14:45

Simply put Boris is arguably still less worst option both within his political party and opposition. That said endeavoring to be neutral for argument sake but the new Labour chap seems somewhat potentially of higher caliber than Boris (purely on a political management viewpoint and not on policy and politics).

Boris is love or hate marmite as varying intelligent and hilarious at times but also alarming falling short when it actually counts too but who would be better placed to navigate both Covid and Brexit? Can’t see any uniting force behind the scenes from within or throughout the UK political spectrum?! Curious to see who will be for the chop post Covid if not Boris himself and most of the (underperforming?) cabinet!

Incidentally does anyone think Boris is fully back on form post his near Covid fatality experience? And is that why Cummings (and goings) is still (unofficial) copilot?

QueenOfThorns · 21/06/2020 15:10

[quote DGRossetti]Just a reminder - from 5 months ago - of what will be repeated across the board when Boris and the Boys (re)start their farewell to the "Great" in Britain tour around the world ...

Hopes of a flurry of post-Brexit trade deals were dashed this week after the Australian government rejected a UK offer that included visa-free work and travel between the two countries.

Trade minister Simon Birmingham said full free movement would not be accepted because it could cause an exodus of highly trained workers to the UK and an influx of unskilled British workers to Sydney and Melbourne.

Last year, ministers in New Zealand voiced similar fears of a brain drain.

(contd)

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/first-blow-for-post-brexit-britain-as-australia-rejects-trade-deal/07/01/[/quote]
I wonder why they made these assumptions? Surely in a post No Deal Brexitannia, anyone with even half a brain would be wanting to leave the country. I would expect the brain drain to be in the opposite direction, to English-speaking countries with too much sense to sell out to the US.

Jason118 · 21/06/2020 15:34

They were letting us down gently.

DGRossetti · 21/06/2020 15:41

I would expect the brain drain to be in the opposite direction, to English-speaking countries with too much sense to sell out to the US.

In the early to mid 70s. the phrase "brain drain" popped up a lot in the news. I know one family that emigrated to the US from my school. And another were all prepped to emigrate to Australia (not idea why they ultimately didn't). This would have been at the height of the UK sick man phase.

I wonder what figures are available from those times to show what impact (if any) the steady exodus of highly skilled families had on the UK ? Especially if you consider the demographics of those leaving and those arriving ...

mrslaughan · 21/06/2020 16:03

Exactly Jason..... look how many highly skilled NZers and Australians work around the world - they have no problem getting visa's..... because they are highly skilled.

They don't want an influx of low skilled brits....

Jason118 · 21/06/2020 17:44

And because we having nothing unique to offer in any trade deal, the expectations of getting anything special in return are frankly ridiculous.

Pepperwort · 21/06/2020 17:53

That article applecatchers posted up would explain a lot, even if it is adding 2 + 2 together to make 6. How much American involvement was there in the Brexit campaigns? Anyone know or have links?

DGRossetti · 21/06/2020 17:55

theguardian.com
Cross-party group urges chancellor to consider four-day week for UK
Jessica Murray
6-7 minutes
Ex-shadow chancellor John McDonnell
Ex-shadow chancellor John McDonnell, who signed the letter, had been exploring the possibility of a four-day week before the Covid-19 crisis. Photograph: Vickie Flores/EPA

A group of cross-party MPs have urged the government to consider a four-day working week for the UK post Covid-19, arguing the policy could be “a powerful tool to recover from this crisis”.

The MPs – from Labour, the Scottish National party and the Green party – have written a letter to the chancellor, Rishi Sunak, asking him to set up a commission to explore the option, similar to Scotland’s post-Covid-19 Futures Commission which is looking at the possibility of a four-day working week to generate more jobs.

The letter, signed by MPs including the former shadow chancellor John McDonnell, SNP MP Mhairi Black and Green MP Caroline Lucas, said a four-day working week would reduce stress and overwork, boost mental health and wellbeing, and increase productivity.

“Work patterns have already been dramatically altered as a result of the pandemic and we believe the time is now right to explore putting a four-day, 30-hour working week (or any equivalent variation) front and centre – including protections for those on low incomes – as the country unites behind building back better out of this crisis,” it reads.

The letter argues that “shorter hours have been used throughout history as a way of responding to economic crises”, citing the reduction in working hours after the Great Depression in the 1930s to reduce unemployment.

Jacinda Ardern, the prime minister of New Zealand, has recently spoken about the four-day week as a way in which New Zealand’s economy can recover from the Covid-19 crisis.

She said the idea had been suggested as a way to stimulate the economy and encourage domestic tourism while borders are closed.

Last year Labour committed to delivering a 32-hour working week within a decade if elected, and then shadow chancellor McDonnell showed particular interest in exploring the possibility of a four-day week.

“Many of the ideas proposed in the recent past, that some scorned at the time, are now mainstream and deserve serious consideration in government as in other countries,” he said, sharing the cross-party letter on social media.

Aidan Harper, from the 4 Day Week Campaign, said: “Work has changed for ever as a result of this crisis and we want to make sure we have a better model of work emerging from it as we had going in.

“The benefits of a four-day week are boundless; better mental health and wellbeing, work shared more equally across the economy, greater productivity at work, and the potential to engage in more environmentally sustainable behaviours.”
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Pepperwort · 21/06/2020 17:59

Jason that was the odd thing about all the comments about 'being able to trade around the world! That, and the fact that we already could. It made me want to tear my hair out.

Following that Australian rejection and the reasons given, it'll be interesting to see what happens with India who want much the same clause, with much the same result.

ListeningQuietly · 21/06/2020 18:02

Summer solstice was last night.
The free festivals and the convoy and the battle of the beanfield and the like
were a part of the product of shafting the young in the 80's
in the 90's it was the ravey davey gravy scene
and now the young (17 - 27) feel even more shafted and ignored than the cohorts before them

we have never forgiven or forgotten what happened along the A303
those after us never forgave or forgot the "fields in Hampshire"
and now we have the lockdown cohort

it will not end well

yoikes · 21/06/2020 18:26

Growing up in the 1980s with apartheid, the cold war, the miners strike, Brixton and toxteth riots, Reagan, thatcher, aids, greenham common....

Never thought my kids would live through worse.

DGRossetti · 21/06/2020 18:47

@thecatfromjapan

Honestly, it's hard to overstate the significance of that 80 seat majority.

This really is a government that can pretty much do what it wants.

The response to Coronavirus really does belong to this government.

When you look at the response to Coronavirus, what you are looking at is this government.

It's ... worrying.

This was bugging me ... until I remember.

It seems to have been forgotten that some (admittedly not all) of that "80 majority" was the result of the Brexit parties asymmetrical campaigning and the UKs antediluvian ideas about democracy.

I suspect some of those 80 have forgotten themselves. Or maybe not ?

BigChocFrenzy · 21/06/2020 19:57

Soon got back to the usual ....

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/19/conservative-activist-suspended-after-telling-labour-mp-to-go-back-to-pakistan

The Conservatives have suspended an activist after she tweeted that a Muslim MP born in Bradford should “go back to Pakistan”.

The party said Theodora Dickinson was being investigated on Friday after targeting Labour shadow minister Naz Shah.

Peregrina · 21/06/2020 20:03

Where is Clavinova to tell us that Boris's racist comments, haven't encouraged others to be racist? Or maybe that activist was just racist anyway. I do think that ten years ago they would have thought those thoughts but probably not expressed them.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/06/2020 20:33

Unchecked capitalism - this particular COVID atrocity is in the USA....
surely could not be in the UK's future ?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/world/coronavirus-updates.html?

Amid the coronavirus outbreak,
a resident of a Connecticut nursing home was told that he had less than a week to pack his things and move to a homeless shelter,
his lawyer said.

In April, Los Angeles police officers found an 88-year-old man with dementia crumpled on a city sidewalk.
His nursing home had recently deposited him at an unregulated boardinghouse.

And in New York City, nursing homes tried to discharge at least 27 residents to homeless shelters from February through May,
according to data from the city’s Department of Homeless Services.
......
At the same time, nursing homes across the country have been forcing out older and disabled residents among the people most susceptible to the coronavirus and often shunting them into unsafe facilities,
according to 22 watchdogs in 16 states.

Critics suggest that such ousters create room for a class of customers who can generate more revenue:
....
Because of a change in federal reimbursement rates last fall, Covid-19 patients can bring in at least $600 more a day from Medicare than people with relatively mild health issues,
according to nursing home executives and state officials.

Many of the evictions, known as involuntary discharges, appear to violate federal rules,
and at least four states have restricted nursing homes from evicting patients during the pandemic.

But 26 ombudsmen from 18 states provided figures to The Times: a total of more than 6,400 discharges, many to homeless shelters.

“We’re dealing with unsafe discharges, whether it be to a homeless shelter or to unlicensed facilities, on a daily basis,”
said Molly Davies, the Los Angeles ombudsman.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/06/2020 20:34

An analysis of the race of those "involuntarily discharged" dementia patients might be interesting too

Pepperwort · 21/06/2020 21:20

I'm no doubt picking up the wrong end of the stick, BCF, but similar Covid atrocities have already happened here. This one isn't about dementia though: just poverty and zero hours contracts. It was before the BLM protests, and I didn't consider racism when I first heard of it. I still wouldn't agree that that was the whole story.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52413431 - "The Uber driver evicted from home and left to die of coronavirus"

BigChocFrenzy · 21/06/2020 22:23

This scandal is about US nursing homes and care homes ordering out possibly thousands of dementia sufferers to make room for more profitable COVID residents

not an individual shitty LL in the Uk panicking about one positive tenant

BigChocFrenzy · 21/06/2020 23:03

Trump and the international criminal court: an attack on human rights

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/21/the-guardian-view-on-trump-and-icc-an-attack-on-human-rights

The Trump administration is imposing sanctions not on those who commit atrocities,
but on those who investigate such crimes.

The decision to target members of the international body charged with prosecuting individuals for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide is motivated primarily by the ICC’s investigation into abuses by multiple actors, including the US, in the war in Afghanistan.

“We’re also gravely concerned about the threat the court poses to Israel,”
the US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, said.

The court’s judges are due to rule on whether it has jurisdiction in the occupied territories after Fatou Bensouda, the chief prosecutor of the ICC,
said that her preliminary investigation into actions by Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups had satisfied her that war crimes “have been or are being committed”.

The executive order, which Donald Trump signed this month, authorises the freezing of assets and visa bans against court officials, their family members and those who help them.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/06/2020 23:10

At least the UK just refuses to investigate alleged war crimes further itself, rather than applying sanctions to the international courts - not powerful enough to do that effectively anyway.

Still not something to be proud of, but plays well with blue and new Tories

British troops will not face courts over Afghan conflict, says minister

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/20/british-troopswill-not-facecourts-overafghan-conflict-says-minister/

Johnny Mercer, the veterans' minister, has told The Telegraph all investigations have been completed and no charges will be brought

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2020 23:57

Majority of 80 you say?

Christopher Hope @christopherhope
EXCLUSIVE Boris Johnson's plans to liberalise Sunday trading laws look set to be sunk by 50 Conservative MPs

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/21/boris-johnsons-plans-liberalise-sunday-trading-laws-sunk-50/
Boris Johnson's plans to liberalise Sunday trading laws sunk by 50 Conservative MPs

The Prime Minister has been sent a letter by seven Conservative MPs who have stated their joint opposition to the proposed changes.

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RedToothBrush · 22/06/2020 00:07

158 out of 400.

Covid secure?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53131765
2 Sisters Anglesey: 158 factory staff have coronavirus

There is now talk that the welsh government will make a local lockdown of Anglesey.

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DGRossetti · 22/06/2020 10:15

Boris Johnson's plans to liberalise Sunday trading laws sunk by 50 Conservative MPs

It's easy to forget that Boris "80 majority" wasn't won by a sudden mass appeal of the Tories, but by electoral shenanigans. I suspect a lot of the 80 might know exactly what side their bread is buttered - and it's not the side that helps ?

JeSuisPoulet · 22/06/2020 10:26

So last week there was a post about salmon in China having been contaminated with COVID... Anyone know whether this could be happening at these meat packing plants too? I know we have much tighter regs than China at the moment but presumably it is possible?

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