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Westminstenders: Where are we now?

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2020 21:21

Twenty thousand people
Cross Bösebrücke
Fingers are crossed
Just in case
Walking the dead

Where are we now, where are we now?
The moment you know, you know, you know

Just that.

Don't really want to reflect more than that right now.

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DGRossetti · 20/06/2020 15:58

So, what exactly does the Tory party want from Brexit?

Not what their supporters want for a start.

FrankieStein402 · 20/06/2020 18:15

Agree kontikki, a UK gps is a pure vanity project:
Nothing stops us using Galileo, GPS or even the Russian/chinese equivalents - most phones today already use whichever is available.

All the UK system would have done is allow 'us' to control its availability by management of encryption keys such that if we wanted to lock everyone out, except our military/spooks we could. Obviously we remain susceptible to both the US and EU both deciding to lock out access to all except their respective military forces - but the chances of US and EU acting together are vanishingly small.

Not to mention that any hope we might have of our "secure" technology would mean developing our own launch capability - presumably a lollipop rocket in red, white and blue.

ListeningQuietly · 20/06/2020 18:43

The NAO are planning a report on the true cost of PFI
taking into account the number of projects now owned by offshore companies.
After what Pickles did to the Audit Commission, the NAO will not be bullied.
Expect the report to make a lot of headlines and bad press for Tory chums.
snigger

Peregrina · 20/06/2020 19:34

How do we know they won't be bullied? This Government is completely contemptuous of the law, or any authority except their own.

HesterThrale · 20/06/2020 20:15

C4 News reporting the R rate in Germany has shot up again to 1.79.

Partly to do with with meat packing plants and slaughterhouses.

What goes on in those places? Doesn’t seem good.

news.trust.org/item/20200620170709-2w6zx/

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2020 20:18

Incidentally, looks like Florida is starting to reap the rewards of it's "Victory" over C-19, with cases rocketing (again). So we can get an idea of what we can look forward to.

Arizona. Arizona looks fun.

Roll your dice. You may or may not get covid. Life's a gamble....

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RedToothBrush · 20/06/2020 20:22

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53122894
Coronavirus: 75 at Anglesey chicken plant staff positive

It was 51 cases there yesterday.

Anglesey council has also confirmed schools will not reopen as planned on 29 June following the outbreak.

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DGRossetti · 20/06/2020 20:58

Seen elsewhere

Westminstenders: Where are we now?
prettybird · 20/06/2020 21:05

I really shouldn't laugh nearly used the scoffing laugh word but remembered it would cause a temporary deletion Wink

Coronavirus: Trump campaign team hit by outbreak ahead of first rally with 10,000 people http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-six-trump-campaign-staff-test-positive-before-first-rally-with-10000-people-in-tulsa-12011483

Peregrina · 20/06/2020 21:28

Some of them are adamant that they knew what they were voting for.

Jason118 · 20/06/2020 22:14

At least we are getting somewhere

Westminstenders: Where are we now?
RedToothBrush · 20/06/2020 22:32

So Sunday's papers are announcing there will be an announcement on Tuesday that the 2m rule will be reduced to 1m...

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Jason118 · 20/06/2020 22:59

Because...........

lonelyplanetmum · 20/06/2020 23:00

By coincidence just saw this on the 1m and 2m

full-fact

BigChocFrenzy · 20/06/2020 23:13

Meat packing plants, slaughterhouses have had many outbreaks here in Germany

  • Heavy manual labour , heavy breathing, shouting. lifting up the masks to talk ...

Places of worship too, with preaching and singing

The R0 has been above 1.0 several times, but has always come down within a few weeks
These outbreaks are tackled by localised lockdowns and rapid track & trace (old-fashioned bootleather mostly)

It doesn't bother anyone here while cases & deaths are so low

It's something we have to live with - as will the Uk when BJ relaxes measures
and hopefully implements systems to handle outbreaks reasonably effectively Hmm

The RKI stated:

"Since case numbers in Germany are generally low, these outbreaks have a relatively strong influence on the value of the reproduction number.
A nationwide increase in case numbers is not anticipated."

Note:
this particular chain of slaughterhouses is getting its arse kicked for being so slow to notice this latest outbreak

pontypridd · 20/06/2020 23:53

Someone on here made me think it was a good idea to sign up to do the YouGovUK questionairres.

They are mostly very boring. But today's one was asking questions such as are human rights actually at all important (I can't remember the exact words, but it was that sort of attitude) and should mothers be happy with one month's worth of maternity pay. The suggestion was that even a month was too much (seriously!). The other question was about corporations and taxes but it was heavily weighted towards suggesting that this was something we should not be very bothered about.

Maybe I was reading too much into it.

I'm ashamed to say that I don't actually know who is asking these questions. I always assume that it is Dominic Cummings though.

lonelyplanetmum · 21/06/2020 06:09

Re Maternity leave..

We are modelling ourselves on the US now. It's not just dropping food standards that would be high on the US agenda.

US companies doing business here are always incredulous at our employment laws. US workers get 10 days paid holiday on average per year.. This is what deregulation means - how to persuade the U.K. electorate though?

Would it be possible to persuade voters that to recover from the pandemic less maternity leave ( and annual leave?) would help businesses decrease their wages bill? The US is the only OECD country without a nationwide statutory paid maternity, paternity or parental leave. There is the Family and Medical Leave Act which gives some employees 12 weeks unpaid maternity leave but only 60% of workers are eligible anyway.

Whilst on the subject of the US I see that our failed politicians are deemed of national importance over there? Apparently it is essential for clown like ex radio presenters to attend Trump rallies as an exception to quarantine travel restrictions.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-us-tulsa-donald-trump-coronavirus-travel-ban-a9577406.html

SabrinaThwaite · 21/06/2020 08:46

Apparently it is essential for clown like ex radio presenters to attend Trump rallies as an exception to quarantine travel restrictions.

No quarantine exemption for Farridge when he returns to the UK though.

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2020 09:06

Interesting piece for the Mail on Sunday.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8443851/amp/DAN-HODGES-Watch-Boris-Tory-MPs-starting-think-unthinkable.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top&__twitter_impression=true
DAN HODGES: Watch out Boris, some Tory MPs are starting to think the unthinkable

I have already had two people come up to me today and separately say “I think Boris may have to go”,’ one Tory MP told me last week.

‘There’s no way you would have been hearing that even last month.

It’s just one sign that some Conservative politicians are starting to think the unthinkable. In another exchange, a Minister said: ‘It’s all gone for a ball of chalk.’

And

The impression among Conservative MPs is that the Prime Minister has lost his grip, and the Government has lost its way. And incredibly, less than a year into his premiership, some are starting to seriously consider whether Boris Johnson may have to be replaced.

‘It’s been difficult for people to get organised because everyone’s been scattered round the country,’ one MP explains. ‘But the conversations are taking place now. There’s a feeling the basic level of competence isn’t there in No 10.’

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What’s also worrying Tory MPs is a suspicion that the mayhem of the past week may not be an aberration, but a return to normality. Boris’s stunning Election triumph has obscured the fact that retreats and confused and messy compromises were features of the early days of his administration.

As one Minister says: ‘Boris and Cummings are great at campaigning but rubbish at governing. They’re like one-club golfers. Everything has to be framed as part of the culture war.’

Another believes there’s a problem with just how effective his inner circle are at keeping Boris up to speed with events and issues as they’re unfolding. ‘There are a number of times I’ve been in meetings with him and I’ve been surprised at the way he didn’t seem to have a feel for what was driving the agenda. Not so much a lack of a grasp of the detail, more the way an issue is playing out.’

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On Monday, Britain’s high streets reopened for the first time in three months. Boris chose to mark the moment by writing an article about statues.

When he and his Ministers should have been channelling all their energies into getting the nation back to work, he instead decided to spend a couple of hours in the House of Commons announcing the ‘merger’ of the Foreign Office and Department for International Development.

In the week when British scientists made the first major breakthrough in defeating Covid-19, No 10 thought this was the moment to announce they had spent £900,000 on painting a Union Jack on the Prime Minister’s plane.

As one senior Tory told me: ‘Experienced MPs from all wings of the party are worried about the No 10 bunker being out of touch. And blue collar and One Nation Tories are all worried by the lack of feel for bread-and-butter doorstep issues.’

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But some Conservative MPs don’t think that necessarily means Boris is in it for the long haul.

‘He’s not a politician, he’s a brand,’ one Minister told me, ‘and one day he’ll just walk. People say Carrie [Symonds] will keep him in line. But you watch. He’ll just get up one morning and take the brand somewhere else.’

Amazing.

Don't you just love the Tory Party?

Never a dull moment. Just a bunch of bastards with the knives out.

Though why any of this comes as a surprise to them is quite funny.

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mrslaughan · 21/06/2020 09:19

Red - one can but hope..... at this point I think ANYONE would be better than Boris and Cummings.

TheABC · 21/06/2020 09:34

The Daily Mail has overtaken the Sun to have the biggest circulation in this country. Like it or loathe it, a lot of Tory and floating voters read it.

This article is a warning and a potential preview. I wonder who pushed for it to be written....?

I can see Hancock, Rishi or Gov all putting themselves forward. But they need at least 50 MPs to kick off the VONC.

I can't see that happening without the HoC going back full-time and another really humiliating fiasco.

Peregrina · 21/06/2020 09:45

I don't think they are quite ready yet for another blood letting, but at the same time, despite their 80 seat majority, they know that they have to lay the ground work for the next election. So I would give him up to another year.

Peregrina · 21/06/2020 09:53

I suspect that Boris hasn't realised just how toxic Cummings is perceived to be by the general public. It was a big faux pas to make excuses for him.

lonelyplanetmum · 21/06/2020 10:14

Just a bunch of bastards with the knives out.

Yet ironically the knives and constant internecine strife always seems to work out well for them. A significant factor leading to the ref. was Cameron's fit of pique at the ERG. I always thought it was clear that Cameron just flipped at their persistent agitations, which continued regardless of the significant re-configuration he had recently agreed with other EU members.

The constant Tory agitations, factions and chasms seem to be ignored by the electorate. Divided, they rule. It sort of bears out Cummings' theories about stirring everything up.

It is almost as if the approach taken by Labour (or other parties) of trying to project consensus, putting out an agreed message, emphasising a united front is misconceived.

DrBlackbird · 21/06/2020 11:15

There’s a feeling the basic level of competence isn’t there in No 10

Hard to know what is more worrying. That Tory MPs thought Johnson would be competent given the body of evidence of his casual incompentence over the whole of his career. Or that it took this long into his complete mismanagement of the pandemic for this realisation to sink in.

Doesn't bode well either way that the 80 Tory majority making decisions on our behalf are/were more easily swayed by style over substance than most voters.

Plus, I can't see anyone else really wanting to step into No10 just yet when there is still so much more crisis to unfold. Like Johnson letting May do the tedious work in setting out a WA and PD with the ERG undermining her at every step, those with leadership aspirations will be happy enough to let Johnson face the next year of economic fall out from covid and a no deal Brexit.

My vote definitely on Sunak making a play for that position though when the time is right. Gove does not cut a sufficiently dashing figure for a fickle electorate however much he wishes he did and Hannock will be long gone from the front pages when he's ditched by Johnson in the first of the post covid purges.