Westminstenders: Just another DEADline

[RedToothBrush]

Today is the last scheduled day for talks with the EU.

We have til 30th June to ask for a transition extension. We won't.

That leaves us starring down the barrel of a no deal exit, when we still could be in a covid-19 crisis and the US may be in turmoil given recent events and the coming election...

It's not a pretty picture.

5. BJ will resign. He will plead ill health I imagine. The Govt will fall apart. Labour will be asked to form a GNU or there will be a GE.

This is the one prediction I would be happy to see come to pass. With a proper Govt of National Unity. One which had absolutely no time for the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Priti Patel, Liz Truss, Gove, Raab... and some of the other horrors.

People like Julian Lewis - who did a good job in N Ireland, in the five minutes he was in post - yes, they could probably find a slot for him. There might be one or two others.

Pulling up a pew...

peregrina
Labour would be fools to take this shitshow on...

....there are no decent tories left. The purge of 2019 was very efficient.

So we get the prize of picking up the pieces after these nobs have broke Britain, made a few more millions and killed off thousands of people with no repecussions?

No. Not good enough.

Leavers voted for this, they need to own it and sort it. Not passively hope for the best.

As for mitigating circumstances, beyond the stockpile, get paid in Euros or dollars and be prepared to move.

But if Labour end up taking over right after a no-deal Brexit, won’t they get blamed for the resultant shitshow?

I can’t articulate my anger that people like Rees-Mogg will get their millions at the cost of so much suffering - and Johnson will just skulk away, leaving the mess for others to clean up. I can’t believe there is no way to stop this from happening, that even the horrors of a global pandemic won’t slow down the descent into the next catastrophe. I don’t know how to accept the reality that men like that just get away with it, that they will never be held to account for this.

On a practical level, I don’t know how we even begin to prepare for what’s coming. I feel so horrified about the future.

ABC We must also pat them on the head and say "tut tut nevermind" or we are MEAN NASTY REMOANERS

Fuck em

captain me too. But we have to BE NICE to those who voted for this.

....there are no decent tories left.

No, the party has been completely hijacked. As can be seen when even Grandees like Ken Clarke and Nicholas Soames had the whip withdrawn.

I just wish people who normally dutifully put their cross against the blue name could wake up to this fact. The sort of people who would be horrified to be sacked once for lying, never mind twice, or who do know how many children they have and haven't lost count of the number of partners.

But, what do we do to harness our anger? I have done the demos, signed petitions, got involved in Politics to get rid of a useless Tory MP, who immediately got bumped up to the Lords.

Civil disobedience could be on the cards......

About the new ship Britannia- which foreign shipyard will build it? Which flag of convenience will it be registered under?

Euro bank account is a good idea.

But, mainly, don't get old and don't get ill.

Hester I’m most bothered about reaching the outcome.

As many have said, in terms, on these threads there are many ‘flavours’ of relationship we might have with the European Union moving forward. Some i’d be more happy with, some less so. This is currently being negotiated

As is also frequently pointed out to me, I don’t get to decide, my ability to influence is virtually nil. Point is, overall I view any potential future arrangements we might strike from here as more likely to be more positive than staying the EU would have been.

Can't avoid the don't get old bit - anno domini is steadily creeping up on me. The trouble with the don't get ill bit - having good wholesome food, and a healthy lifestyle helps, but this is going to be compromised if Liz Truss gets her way.

peregrina
For Soames to have the whip withdrawn on the 75th anniversary of the D Day landings utterly blew my mind
It was an indication of what was to come I guess (illegal prorogation of parliament etc)

I foresee a summer/autumn of protest.

And I'll be there.

PMK.
thanks, Red
It's been hailing hard here on and off all day.
Sums up my mood - watching UK shit, and Trump Gaslighting in the US.
Bah!

As many have said, in terms, on these threads there are many ‘flavours’ of relationship we might have with the European Union moving forward. Some i’d be more happy with, some less so. This is currently being negotiated.

There would have been many flavours, and a sensible Government from May onwards would have taken time to find out which was the better option for the UK. That time is now passed. Johnson wants a hard Brexit, and the negotiations have now ceased for this month, I think. Not seeking an extension is Law - they could change it, but can you see any of the current Government doing so?

Maybe our farmers, the ones who are now bleating about being betrayed, could take a leaf out of the French farmers' book, and go to Downing Street with their slurry spreaders. Or round up their sheep and drive them through London.

Maybe our farmers, the ones who are now bleating about being betrayed, could take a leaf out of the French farmers' book, and go to Downing Street with their slurry spreaders. Or round up their sheep and drive them through London.

That's not impossible. I'd hope there were no malfunctions with police equipment that might hinder any attempts to stop them.

FrankGrimes if Labour want centrist Remainer votes, then they shouldn't have elected Corbyn
because - duh - centrists will rarely vote for a hard left lifelong Lexiter who tolerates "just wants anti-semitism toned down a little"

Maybe our farmers, the ones who are now bleating about being betrayed, could take a leaf out of the French farmers' book, and go to Downing Street with their slurry spreaders. Or round up their sheep and drive them through London.
But they voted for this in their droves. I live in the countryside, super safe Tory seat, loads of farmers had huge Vote Tory posters in their fields. During the referendum, massive Vote Leave signs.

I think it most unlikely that the tory party would allow an 80-seat majority slip through their fingers
A pipe dream

They may well do their trick of defenestrating the leader, so the electorate happily vote in 2024 for the the shiny new repackaged shit

Anyway, in the 1 in 1 million change that a GNU had to deal with the aftermath of COVID and Brexshit,
they'd get all the blame and hard-right Tories would storm in again next GE

Last GE does look a good one to lose for Labour, even if not for the country

Well if centrists swallowed the right wing lines on Corbyn or feared nationalised railways they really cant complain about the current shitshow in politics. Waiting round until 2024 for the right Labour leader might be economically viable for some but there will be little worth salvaging by then.

Remember the lib dems got us started down this road with the coalition, the peoples vote/Change UK convinced nobody and the LDs pushed for a 2019 election.

I read in today's paper that it's only those Hong Kong citizens who were born in 1997 and earlier are the only ones entitled to a British Overseas passport. So this looks like another of Johnson's pledges which turns out to be a bit hollow.

If farmers didn't vote for this, their neighbours did. So much for community.

The 2019 GE was inevitable and the more it was delayed, the more frustrated the public were getting and the more votes for the Tories
That's one of the v few things I agreed with Corbyn about - he wanted to stop delaying the GE

The LDems should never have agreed to a Coalition in 2010
They should just have offered to support a minority Tory government on certain issues - they would have had some control, instead of just being the scapegoat

Leavers voted for this, they need to own it and sort it.

A few honest leavers admit they were conned and are angry at those who conned them.
The more hidebound ones won't admit they were conned and will continue to revere and support those who conned them and are continuing to con them.

Not much is going to be owned by either group, because there are a whole lot of handy scapegoats to be brandished.

Nor are they in a position where they are likely to sort anything, in part because denial is not a springboard for action and in part because there has been a vast confiscation of citizens' and voters' direct or indirect power in the UK and it is only getting worse (cf MPs voting to prevent MPs from voting).

Fuck, it's depressing.