Westminstenders: Just another DEADline

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Today is the last scheduled day for talks with the EU.

We have til 30th June to ask for a transition extension. We won't.

That leaves us starring down the barrel of a no deal exit, when we still could be in a covid-19 crisis and the US may be in turmoil given recent events and the coming election...

It's not a pretty picture.

Leavers aren't angry though are they? They're still insisting they knew what they voted for/project fear etc.

They'd have to. (I really wish I could find that clip of Steve Nallon as Mrs. Thatcher insisting the escalator was going the wrong way ...)

Have a look at polling and how few Leave voters have changed their minds, almost none.

A lot depends how the question is framed ...

Leavers aren't angry though are they?

I bloody well am. I voted Leave what seems like a lifetime ago and regret it bitterly, hate having been deceived by lies about the NHS amongst a load of other things. I don't see how anyone who voted Leave could say they know what is coming. I cannot abide the Tories anyway (that was before the Leave vote) and hate what is happening to this country.

I bloody well am. I voted Leave what seems like a lifetime ago and regret it bitterly, hate having been deceived by lies about the NHS amongst a load of other things.

What was it about that particular campaign that made you believe it was less mendacious than all the other political campaigns in history, if you don't mind me asking ? Considering it was pretty much called out as a load of bollocks at the time, so it wasn't unchallenged.

I refuse to retract my stance that if you are going into a polling booth, and (figuratively) you find Nigel Farage to one side, voting one way, and Tommy Robinson the other, voting the same way, and across the divide you also see Nick Griffin, and he is voting with Farage and Robinson, then you really, really, really need to ask yourself if you are doing the right thing. Because we can see what's happened since. What I and many feared - a right wing coup that's removing decades if not centuries of hard won liberties in a few months.

For the sake of all posters, this isn't a dig at anyone individually, and I hope it isn't taken or assumed to be. We need folk like CrunchyCarrot in these discussions and debates. We need to help them channel that anger where it needs to remove Boris testicles, Goves head, and Cummings smug grin.

I thought the destabilising of the peace in NI would change Leave voters minds, how wrong I was.

You have to be joking - half of them don't even know that NI is part of the United Kingdom, never mind change their minds about it.

Good for you CrunchyCarrot - one of the few who have the guts to admit that you were wrong, instead of trying to kid us that this was exactly what you wanted.

For many, it was a difficult decision at the time, and the way it was presented it was more that we would have an EEC type arrangement - "no one's talking about leaving the single market" Daniel Hannan famously said, but now ardent Leavers try to pretend he didn't.

And do not forget Brexiteer former NI Secretary Karen Bradley who didn't know that RCs and Prods went to different schools in NI and did not always get along.

Next you'll be telling us Dover can get busy sometimes.

Agree completely dgr

Anyone voting alongside farage et al deserves everything they get.

Sadly, they are dragging the rest of us down with them.

Regretful leavers won't get thanks kudos from me.

Too little too fucking late. But I've got kids who's futures will be utterly blighted so perhaps I'm biased.

Anyone voting alongside farage et al deserves everything they get.

I've heard a lot of low quality thinking since from Leavers trying to justify voting with fascists as "Well, I was voting for " as if that excuses it. As I have frequently noted some people voted for the Nazis because they liked their environmental stance.

As soon as it was clear the narrative of the referendum was being hijacked by the far right, the proper Leave campaign should have withdrawn and made it clear why. But, of course, they felt they didn't need to as it was an advisory referendum, and even JRM was singing the praises of a two-step Brexit.

Still, at least future history classes won't need to work with 1920s material on how the far-right takes over. They'll have some bang up to date content. In colour with emojis too.

Funny isn't it?

It wasn't difficult for me at all....

I didn't vote alongside Nick Griffin, Tommy Robinson or Nigel Farage. Easiest decision ever, really.

I also thought that anything touted as great by Putin and Trump should be viewed as anything but.

Leave voters tend to get a bit tetchy when you point out who they share their views with.

Let's not re-write history make morons feelz better, eh?

It's happened. Brexit. Whatever the fuck that means. They won. Time to own this shitshow.

Let's not re-write history make morons feelz better, eh?

I was trying to hold back on the insults a little. The only possible way anything could possibly have any effect is a groundswell of clearly avowed Leavers protesting the lies that bought their vote. And that's not going to happen if they see the moron hammer being wielded too liberally. It's bickering like that which Boris and "the boyz" are relying on to hide their disgraceful actions.

Maybe this would have gone differently if we could have made sure that wherever the word "Brexit" appears - in print, online, in discussion - it was prepended with the word "Boris" and never ever split again. Maybe it's not too late.

#BorisBrexit everywhere. So the toff twat knows that whenever Brexit is remembered, it will be his Brexit. (Yes, I nicked that from a Yes Minister plot ...)

Well, I tried

No scientists at press conf - guess an informed public isn't working for them.....

Chief Nursing Officer Ruth May was supposed to be at the briefing too...wonder why she's ducked out?

I find the last 4 years of my country slowly eroding the most insulting thing tbh. Sticks and stones and all that.

I've been called, variously, snowflake, a member of the elite, vermin, a traitor....

I'm past caring.

Honestly.

What was it about that particular campaign that made you believe it was less mendacious than all the other political campaigns in history, if you don't mind me asking ? Considering it was pretty much called out as a load of bollocks at the time, so it wasn't unchallenged.

Because I was a naive twit. I've never been much into politics, in fact since this shit show started I have learned so very much more. I had just been diagnosed with Hashi's, literally the same month as the Referendum, and was pretty focused on the NHS being improved with more funding (insert hollow laugh here, 4 years later).

Racist, xenophobic cunts.

If you are referring to me as that, you can fuck right off.

If the scientists have any sense they will be distancing themselves from this Govt pdq

DGR - a tablespoon or two (for a large loaf - eg 500g flour plus 150g starter & 300ml water) of olive oil makes the sourdough crust slightly softer and stops the battle to cut the bottom crust Too much and it apparently gets a bit too soft (according to Food Geek) - but that amount seems to work with my loaves ( and helps them last a wee bit longer).

Haha. Good try.

I've got multiple health conditions and am very find of the NHS - still didn't vote with the racist cunts!

Leavers aren't angry though are they? Agreed, my friendship circle is mostly ex Remainers but the ex Leavers don’t seem to be angry atm.

Part of me does wonder if remainers had actually been less squeamish about calling out leaver twats whether the Tories would have got away with so much....?

We will never know....

louise
Give it time.
They won't blame the right people though...
It's gonna get nasty.
I think many remainers will feel the need to leave the UK for their own safety.

You're to be commended CrunchyCarrot for admitting you were conned.

And as as often been said - yes, even on these threads - while all racists voted Leave , not all Leave voters were racist

Some were genuinely conned and voted the way that they did for a variety of positive reasons even if they were based on fallacies

Yeah...
Lets keep telling them that....
The truth is somewhat less palatable after all...
🙄

Well put Prettybird I am not feeling very “conned” here I must say but I appreciate the sentiment you shared.