Gove: "Post-Brexit talks: UK prepared to walk away in June if no progress"

[Miljea]

BBC News

Is this the Brexit you voted for, Leavers??

Seriously? Threatening the EU?

Text: "The UK has warned the EU it will walk away from trade talks in June unless there is a "broad outline" of a deal.

Michael Gove told MPs the UK wanted to strike a "comprehensive free trade agreement" in 10 months.

But the government would not accept any alignment with EU laws as the EU is demanding, with Mr Gove adding: "We will not trade away our sovereignty."

The EU has already set out its priorities ahead of the formal start of the talks on Monday."

One would almost think No Deal was precisely what we're heading for....

Maybe someone will come from the other side and tell us, in italics why this is great news.

they won’t try and “undo” Leaving should they form the next Govt in 2024

Why the fuck not? If a party were to campaign on a manifesto Rejoining (which the Labour party won't because they're all about the immutable eternal People's Willy, but say they did) and went on to win the 2024 GE (which, if the immutable People's Willy hasn't changed and we're all enjoying our Brexit unicorns it won't), then why wouldn't they try to deliver on said manifesto?

Given that Brexit is Done, the People's Willy has therefore been discharged (ejaculated?). Are we now admitting that Brexit isn't Done, and furthermore admitting that the aftermath of Brexit could still be dragging on in 2024?? Or are we saying that Brexit is Done, but it is so sacred and eternal that it is now a sin against the People's Willy for a legal, political party to contemplate (in 2020) campaigning against it in 2024, 8 years after the People waved said Willy?

Brexit is done.
If the next Labour leader decides to stand on a policy of attempting to reverse, it that is their choice.
By 2024 the Electorate will really know what they voted for so will be able to decide.
Sounds good to me.

Sorry to disagree but Brexit is not done. The UK is currently in a transition phase during which most things stay the same. To coin a phrase "Nothing has changed", sure someone used that one recently?! I have yet to enjoy even one day free of European Union rules.

The "People's Willy" stuff is funny and all, and political parties can campaign for whatever outcomes they like. Still think its an odd position though, campaigning to reverse course so soon.

Sorry to disagree but Brexit is not done.
Nope
the UK left the EU on 31st January
the transition phase ends on 31st December and will not be extended
its all in UK legislation
oven ready

I am sure that come next January the freedom from EU rules will be absolutely wonderful
and that by 2024 the Labour party will have no need to campaign to rejoin
as it will all be going swimmingly under the WTO bureaucrats

back in the real world
Which EU rules are you most looking forward to seeing the back of ?

Sorry to disagree but Brexit is not done.

It isn't my adorable shaggy blond sexgod and the rest of his chubby pantheon, who triumphantly announced the Doneness of Brexit, complete with shiny 50p coins.

reverse course so soon.

2016 to 2024 = 8 years.

8 years.

8 years.

To be clear, you're saying it's somehow wrong to defy [as signified by blond sexgod and his coins] the Discharged People's Willy, 8 years after the event that precipitated it. But couched in inexplicable coyness.

ooh yeah, I've not seen a Brexit 50p
shall take myself up to the shop and try to get one

To be clear, yes 8 years is next to nothing in the context of a change this major IMO. Remember we were "in" for over 45 years.

FWIW, I really, really don't like Boris Johnson, never have.

8 years is next to nothing in the context of a change this major IMO
What changes are you expecting ?

To be clear, yes 8 years is next to nothing in the context of a change this major IMO. Remember we were "in" for over 45 years.

So while we're being clear and brave, what is the Brexitannian statute of limitation on being allowed to campaign against the People's Willy? When, for example, did anti-European activists begin agitating against the cruel oppressive thumb of foreignness?

FWIW, I really, really don't like Boris Johnson, never have.

Oh, and that's a bit of a non-sequitur. Your personal adoration (or lack thereof) does not invalidate that Shagger Johnson and his band of merry EU-haters trumpeted all about Getting Brexit Done on 31st January 2020, complete with 50p commemorative coins.

Indeed it doesn't, but I thought you were suggesting I liked the "shaggy blonde sexgod" (barf!) I don't.

There ought not to be a "statute of limitation" as you put it I don't think. However my memory is that anti EEC/EC/EU campaigning really took off after 1992, by which time we'd been in the Community/Union for 19 years.

the transition phase ends on 31st December and will not be extended

Lets see how CV19 turns out.

Amongst the doom and gloom at least Planet Earth can breathe a sigh of relief - all these shut downs have greatly reduced the belching of CO2 into our atmosphere.

Every cloud and all that.

Yep,

If we all died Gaia could party on again without those pesky parasite standing apes.

Hate
Indeed Covid is giving the CO2 emissions a bit of breathing space
and is doing wonders for the pensions crisis
but at what cost in long term civil liberties?

I also think that most people are soon going to be fed up with home imprisonment... so the minute a sort of normalcy returns, they'll go out and consume literally like there's no tomorrow. No, I don't think this epidemic is going to help the environment in the long run at all.

I am by the way in isolation this week. I had a kind of flu and shortness of breath. Called 111, wasn't brought it for a test. My boss wants me obviously nowhere near the office.

Songs
When the restrictions ease I will be consuming no more than normal
because the income lost is gone for ever
and that will be the same for a LOT of people

Songs, I disagree. First of all I think people will have got into different habits and many may rethink things like going on a cruise or a long haul flight. Also the idea that we are so dependant on the likes of China and the far east for our manufacturing may well be rethought. Home working is something that I feel will become more prevalent and more business meetings will be done on skype/conference calling.
I also hope everyone will become much better at washing our hands and we will have far fewer colds. flu and other air borne diseases.

This is a major power shift east.

Italy appealed to their EU friends for surgical masks and ventilators. None were forthcoming. China offered bilaterally to supply the 2 million surgical masks and 10,000 ventilators as a priority. China has brutally controlled the virus; the rest of the world won’t (and certainly not the EU).

China has skilled people with STEM degrees, we have lots of PPE experts, finance experts and economists. They are showing their utter uselessness now. We will all depend on China to supply us what we need to keep going over the next year or so. That won’t come without consequences.

Sadly, I suspect the days of the dominant powers being democracies are coming to an end. Democracies cannot do long term planning effectively and this has been shown up by Corona.

Brexit is irrelevant now.

France is sitting very tight on its face masks.
All the ones that are in any way effective against CV in France have been requisitioned by the gvmt, the pharmacist here just told me.
They are only allowed to sell ones that are far less effective. He was quite muted but clearly very annoyed at the lack of clear distancing guidelines in France.
His colleague (who I think is not a qualified pharmacist but just an employee) said, "But it's just flu." I mentioned the difference in contagion rates and he whipped out his phone to show her a map with regular updates on cases, mortality, etc., explained it to her and then when I mentioned the recent graphs showing spikes in cases that are almost vertical, he immediately got that up, too.
They work side by side in a pharmacy and hadn't had this little conversation before.

LittleRootie
I said earlier that Johnson is not listening to half the country, the same would be true of any Labour leader who made the outlandish statement put forward by LouiseCollins.

That might be true in rough terms, the problem lies is that the % is skewed in their traditional seats, so they are still saying stuff you in reality to the majority of people in their "once strongholds"

As for the virus it really is showing up how bad a place the economies are in. As for MC's paying well so far the cost to the poor has been much greater £500 Billion + on Quantative Easing, to shore up and increase House Prices and Share values.
The markets are having a great time selling shares watching the governments intervene and buying back on the bounce.
This comes down to low interest rates helped by sucessive governments fiddling inflation figures and derugalation to keep interest rates low and fund debt (New Tory).
There will come a point when somebody has to say enough is enough and it will be the poorest that bears the brunt again.

When its all done regulation, lending etc needs to be tightened up, but it wont be.
Funny how the "Free Market" always gets the biggest handouts of all.

People now want scandanvian type social care and American taxes, numbers don't work.

Its hardly surprising EU countries didn't give masks etc to Italy, they haven't enough of their own!
How can anyone with knowledge on how the EU works or what powers it has, criticise them for not coming up with an "EU response"

The EU is a primarily a trading bloc, it cannot enforce or even suggest health policy on member states and if it had these powers, we'd all be up in arms about it.

No pleasing some people.

TBH i'm more interested in whether the brexit talks will even take place this year and if they don't, what will our clown of a PM do?

Of course the EU can't force member states to hand on materials. Not sharing seems harsh, but this isn't like providing relief to a country after an earthquake. Governments have a duty to their own citizens first.
One reason some countries have called a state of emergency is because that provides mechanisms for requisitioning products and gives the gvmt priority purchasing rights. Some also have reserves of equipment that can only be released if the state of emergency is called.
This article refers to the Slovak PM's concerns that a Slovak company was going to sell ventilators to Poland.
spectator.sme.sk/c/22356341/state-of-emergency-over-coronavirus-what-does-it-mean-qa.html#why

As for Brexit talks, it seems very improbable they will meet any deadlines.

Anyone else think coranavirus might put an end to Brexit?