Gove: "Post-Brexit talks: UK prepared to walk away in June if no progress"

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BBC News

Is this the Brexit you voted for, Leavers??

Seriously? Threatening the EU?

Text: "The UK has warned the EU it will walk away from trade talks in June unless there is a "broad outline" of a deal.

Michael Gove told MPs the UK wanted to strike a "comprehensive free trade agreement" in 10 months.

But the government would not accept any alignment with EU laws as the EU is demanding, with Mr Gove adding: "We will not trade away our sovereignty."

The EU has already set out its priorities ahead of the formal start of the talks on Monday."

One would almost think No Deal was precisely what we're heading for....

Maybe someone will come from the other side and tell us, in italics why this is great news.

I am not a Leaver but I will reply:

Yes this is the Brexit that Leavers want, because they voted for a pig in a poke and they are getting a pig in a poke.

"We will not trade away our sovereignty." Leavers love all that bullshit, it's far too early for them to see through it yet

We will not trade away our sovereignty

Yep, some small insignificant island somewhere in the north sea. In a few years the EU will all but have forgotten about that island.... but them islanders have the last laugh: Sovereignty!

This is exactly what Boris Johnson the liar wanted all along. There were further reports today suggesting that he has reneged on all points of the political statement (which included workers' rights etc) which was not legally binding (originally workers' rights were within the withdrawal agreement which was legally binding).
He's a disgusting liar with no integrity.
No doubt all leavers will now say this is what they wanted/voted for. Liars.
With a vote so split down the middle, I cannot see anything for those who wanted to remain. There has been no attempt to reunite the country or try to get a deal that is good for everyone (well at least the least worst).
So leavers should really be looking at who benefits from a no deal. It's not likely to be them that's for sure.

The Leavers wanted cake. This demand is for cake. So yes, this is what they voted for. The rest of us are just being dragged down with them.

Sometimes a small, paranoid part of me wonders whether this is a Cunning Plan:

Stage 1) Arrange a No Deal Brexit
Stage 2) Become the sick man of Europe economically
Stage 3) Rejoin the EU, but as a net taker this time.

Rinse and repeat.

I was driving home between 5 and 6:30 tonight so heard the whole of the R4 news slot
and my considered opinion
backed up by many years of analysis is

Ahhhh, Bless

Some cake perhaps:

"EU Banks Tell Brussels Markets Are No Place for Brexit Politics"

"The European Banking Federation, an umbrella group for 32 national banking lobbies and 3,500 lenders across the European Union, soon plans to ask Brussels to ensure that trading and banking services flow smoothly in both directions across the Channel, echoing appeals from the City of London."

"The approach aligns European banks with Wall Street and London rivals, which want the ability to keep major operations in London and avoid having to shift more resources and staff across the continent."

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-02-26/eu-banks-tell-brussels-markets-are-no-place-for-brexit-politics

It's a negotiating tactic.

I voted to remain and didn't want to leave, but the most basic negotiation tactic is to make the other party believe that you are prepared to walk away. It would be odd if they didn't release something like this.

I'm a leave and this is what I expected the gov. to say, not the mealy mouthed rubbish we got from May. We have no choice but to come in hard, we have to.o otherwise we will just be trodden on.
I certainly don't want a not deal but I expect our gov. to be very serious about the possibility of it happening.

the most basic negotiation tactic is to make the other party believe that you are prepared to walk away

Yes but that doesn't really work if you are the one who will end up worse off because of doing that.

Oh well, you know, the economy tanking, that'll be down to coronavirus, dontcha know? Nothing to do with leaving the eu.

One of the main points of people wanting to leave is so we are not held to ransom by the EU anymore.

As someone else has stated too it would be foolish to go into a negotiation without stating that you are prepared to walk away.

It would be like going into a job interviews asking for a 50k salary but saying if you cant offer that ill pretty much take whatever you can offer as i really want the job!

Yes but that doesn't really work if you are the one who will end up worse off because of doing that.

Especially if you tried the same tactic less than 6 months ago and ended up conceding one of your ‘red lines’.

It would be like going into a job interviews asking for a 50k salary but saying if you cant offer that ill pretty much take whatever you can offer as i really want the job!

Yes but in that analogy, the UK is at a job interview for stacking shelves in Tescos (not that there’s anything wrong that, just doesn’t get you a 50K salary).

Negotiations? That's not negotiating. That's toddler behaviour. Would you like a rattle, Mr. Gove?

If I voted Tory I'd want to know what happened to oven ready brexit.

I am another one who can't see that going in to pick a fight is negotiating. In my limited experience of signing contracts with another party, you look for areas that you can agree on.

I do not understand why the more moderate Tories are not up in arms about all this - don't they have higher standards than playground quarrels?

Even with something like the Good Friday Agreement, after years of Civil War, eventually they had to sit down and find the areas that they could agree on - and full marks to those who made the effort.

An unfortunate saying there - 'up in arms' -perhaps picking a fight is the normal way of business? Isn't that why the EU eventually came into being; after centuries of warring with each other, European countries decided that there needed to be a better way to live, instead of slaughtering your young men, maiming people's lives and destroying property?

Most negotiation experts have repeatedly said that this is a terrible strategy. And yet, it appears, it is the only one we've got.

I've always believed their plan is to crash the economy with No Deal. They can't solve the problems they have created. No Deal enables them to become incredibly rich, walk away from NI issues and blame the EU.

And still the conned cheer them on. Just have a word with yourselves. We've gone from the exact same benefits, greatest deal in history to a disastrous exit. And you're still cheering them on. Amazing! Would be hilarious if you weren't taking the rest of us down too. Imagine doing that to your children. The absolute shame of it.

@SonEtLumiere in an ideal world, yes. That's not how it works though, but what do I know, I've only been doing it for 21 years. If you don't have a walk away position you are in a much weaker position.

If you don't have a walk away position you are in a much weaker position

THIS .

But BJ and his loonies seem to think these negotiations are just the 2020 version of Call My Bluff.

And we'll all pay the price.

But they are doing it to our children. They are doing it to all our children.
That's the tragedy.