How can remainers get behind Brexit and pull together ?

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What does this mean in practical terms ? What do I need to actually do to achieve pulling together and getting behind Brexit ? Why does it matter if I and the rest of the 48 million don't ?

whilst I understand your reasoning, we need a functioning opposition to make your suggestion work

On this, we absolutely agree!

Maybe stop posting silly threads which will do nothing but rile up Remainers and get them spitting feathers.

Maybe stop posting silly threads which will do nothing but rile up Remainers and get them spitting feathers.

Ooh, ooh, is this one... 🤔... 🤔... "STFU"?

Remainers don’t want brexit to fail.

But remainers were absolutely right to think that the huge risk the UK is taking is not worth the gain - especially when the gain can’t be substantiated - it’s just about feelings

Hi All - as many of you know I voted to Leave in the 2016. I just wanted to say that given many posts on this thread, it appears that many people who voted to Remain don't want to find a way forward for themselves.

The current discussion here is revolving around who will be the scapegoats when it doesn't work out. Two things on that point - firstly, that 'brexit' will be a disaster for the UK (not yet known, it really might not be) and that anyone that voted to Leave will be looking for a scapegoat, which is just an assumption based on other assumptions.

I own my vote(s), I own my decisions and will be doing what I can in my own tiny, individual way to try and make sure that leaving the EU was the right thing to do - for all UK nationals/residents. If it was the wrong decision I won't be blaming anyone but myself.

There is no such thing as a Remainer now
as we have left
Brexit is done
BUT
I shall take my lead from the Eurosceptics of the last 40 years
and treat the 2016 result as an error
as they did the 1973
so its BrINO then ReJoin all the way for me

LQ - I did intend to post that the only sensible 'remain voting' reponse that I have seen here was the Brino, then Rejoin one - at least it's a Plan, rather than a mass of criticims and 'soundbites' that amount to nothing.

As you were folks, I bid adieu, and kind regards for now.

@HateIsNotGood thanks for posting. I think it's really positive that some leavers are owning their vote. I think more of that would be really helpful.

I can't pretend that I'll ever be ok with Brexit regardless of its outcome. It's BRINO and rejoin for me too.

especially when the gain can’t be substantiated it’s just about feelings

For many the gain is the feeling of:

National pride - 2 fingers to the EU (France and Germany in particular)

Immigration - its our country go away

If it was the wrong decision I won't be blaming anyone but myself

I wouldn’t as implementation of the vote is task of government.

However, fair play for saying it anyway.

@HateIsNotGood and as the last few posts show, it's not that surprising remainers expect some leavers to look for scapegoats in the event that Brexit is not successful.

sunshine I'm not sure where the idea that people who voted to Leave don't own their decisions come from - all I mostly read here is anecdotal posts from those whose MIL's read the DM, or they read on FB what some dimwit said, etc.

If you take these as 'proof' that is what people who support the UK leaving the EU believe you'll be chasing imaginary sacpegoats instead of finding a cohesive way forward.

Interesting that snowy descibes "feelings" - not so long ago 'feelz' was used as a stick to beat leave voters with.

What airport lounge are you in now Mystery? I suppose posting here is better than reading over-priced mags and papers - at least you get some 'quality' to get your teeth into and the individual attention you wouldn't get on Reddit I guess.

People, especially governments, love a scapegoat though

Obviously leavers are not a homogenous group and so some will own their votes I'm sure.

I don't think anecdotal experiences are completely invalid. The MIL who reads the daily mail and the idiot on FB's vote counted just as much as yours and mine. To expect people to disregard experiences of that type is unrealistic.

I won't bore you with my experiences but I've done a lot of tongue biting over the last few years and based on that I do believe there are leavers who will look to distance themselves from any perceived failure of Brexit and will seek to place the blame elsewhere. In my personal experience, on the Germans if at all possible.

Of course sunshine all our experiences are valid ones - mine are very different from yours, mine doesn't involve MILs, DM readers or FB.

All I can say is that scapegoating isn't a thing I do, I can't see the point of searching for scapegoats for something that hasn't even been tried out and looking for scapegoats for the failure of something that you want to succeed doesn't really seem a productive use of anything.

Perhaps the best way forward for people that are really, very upset about the UK leaving the EU is to focus on how you think about things, finding people that think like you do and how you are going to move forwards.

I think you might be rather wasting your time if you base your actions on what you assume that people who vote differently to you think - even more of a waste of your time if your assumptions are wrong.

Hateisnotgood
I am genuinely glad that you accept my point.
Unlike the astroturfer, you have always had clear opinions
I've not always agreed with them
but they have been consistent

I hope that when we come out the other side
we both are happy with the country we call home

That would be the best result LQ - good night to you for now.

You talk of MIL's, FB etc as if these people don't matter. They do matter because their votes counted too and for many they are the people we must deal with on a day to day basis. I'm sure it's lovely not to have to encounter them and to only deal with enlightened folk with solid well thought out reasons for their vote but that isn't the reality for a significant proportion of remainers I would wager.

The issue from my perspective is that when something you really didn't want to happen has happened it is quite galling to then have to deal with people who, having been part of bringing that thing upon you, want to make it someone else's responsibility. Hence the discussion about scapegoating. Being annoyed about that (and venting about it online!) doesn't prevent more practical steps from being taken.

I am taking steps in real life to assist where I can in efforts to minimise what I consider to be the most potentially damaging elements of Brexit (ie to campaign for a BRINO) and when the rejoin campaign commences in earnest I will be behind it.

I'm afraid I can't just switch off feeling angry about the fact that this is happening. I'm not sure I'll ever stop feeling angry about it to be honest.

Like LQ my support/pulling together/positive emoting will be for BINO, retaining FOM, and then Rejoin, and to that end I will neither be passively waiting for decades for the Brexit bounty, nor shutting up and smiling inanely at squirrels.

I've already joined several Rejoin groups looking at how we can drive this agenda, and written to my MP, and encouraged others to do so.

Thing is, as I am effectively saying (by expressing my form of support/pulling together/bla bla as per my first paragraph) that I indeed do not expect any form of Brexit but the form I'm able to support [namely BINO+Rejoin] to yield joyous plenitude at least for a couple decades, this leads neatly and circularly to the accusation of "not looking forward" "negatively thinking Brexit will be bad."

*Like LQ my support/pulling together/positive emoting will be for BINO, retaining FOM, and then Rejoin, and to that end I will neither be passively waiting for decades for the Brexit bounty, nor shutting up and smiling inanely at squirrels.
*
It will be a good outcome if more people become politically active.

In reality I imagine that most people on either side won't actually do much if any "pulling together" and that they will (where they can) focus on mitigation strategies instead, like the leave campaigners and MPS who have discovered they are entitled to an Irish or other EU passport.

Business in particular doesn't seem to getting behind the "pulling together" strategy and I'm thinking particularly about Brexit supporting businesses which are so lacking in the bulldog spirit that they've gone into administration.

A good outcome too, would be if people told the politicians that we have had enough of the adversarial politics - we want to see politicians looking to find consensus. It looks impossible at present both in Parliament and with Boris Johnson's so called negotiations with Brussels where he's still taking a belligerent line, but with sufficient will from the public, it may come. I see this as taking something like ten years, if it happens at all.

I'm with Elements and LQ too - accept BRINO for now, but look to rejoin. I don't think any apology is needed for this either, the Eurosceptics spent 40 years agitating, so what's sauce for them is for us too.

Particularly it would be good if we can get those who voted to Leave because they were fed up with the Tory inflicted Austerity onto our side.

This is the reality of Brexit for many. How can I possibly "get behind" this? And I know it's not every leave voter that thinks this way, but some do and they felt able to say it. At a playgroup. Would they have said it in 2015? I doubt it.

This is absolutely sickening Sunshine.

If we think back to Nazi Germany, Hitler made severe discrimination against the Jews legal. Some people, although perhaps not enough, told themselves that these weren't their standards and they weren't going to get behind them.

I haven't yet seen anything that makes me want to get behind Boris's Brexit.