How can remainers get behind Brexit and pull together ?

[frumpety]

What does this mean in practical terms ? What do I need to actually do to achieve pulling together and getting behind Brexit ? Why does it matter if I and the rest of the 48 million don't ?

Total two-way trade between Britain and ASEAN amounted to more than $48 billion in 2018.

Versus total UK-EU trade of $848 billion in 2018.

Yeah - UK-ASEAN trade is so going to make up for deliberately limiting trade with our nearest trading neighbours.

One of the photographs in the Guardian article is from 2003:

"Pigs are seen in a factory farm December 2003 in northern Missouri. Photograph: Daniel Pepper/Getty Images"

Or are you stupid?

Obviously not that stupid - do we have any meat scandals in the EU from 2003?

Thus far, the best suggestion for what Remainers should do seems to be LQ's
I am now behind Brexit
and you cannot prove I'm not
because you cannot define it

Was that all 16m remainers or 2 or 3 ?

Not all, because no one's asked me. The answer is, it all depends. There are times when I would buy British, but can't now. Take M & S - they used to pride themselves on making their clothes here, but they haven't done that for a long time now.

2013 "Horsemeat scandal blamed on European meat regulation changes."

www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/12/horsemeat-scandal-european-regulation-changes

Things Remainers should do to pull together for Brexit, update - "wait for a couple of decades," "emote positively," "STFU," "look at squirrels," "...," "...,"

What about the BSE scandal in the UK or Salmonella in eggs? Conveniently forgotten cutandpastinova.

Edwina Currie got a lot of flak for saying that all eggs were contaminated but she was in essence right. So we had to clean up our act.

What about the BSE scandal in the UK or Salmonella in eggs? Conveniently forgotten cutandpastinova.

I was going to post BSE - 1986, not 2003 as per previous post.

More recent egg scandal if this is a competition;

2017 "Europe’s latest food scandal has widened after the European commission announced that a total of 15 EU states, plus Switzerland and Hong Kong, are now known to have received egg products contaminated by an insecticide harmful to human health."

"A spokeswoman in Brussels said the situation was “evolving by the day”, as criminal investigators continued to hold two men arrested on Thursday for fraud following a series of raids in Belgium and the Netherlands."

"The EU countries known to be affected by the scandal are Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, France, Sweden, Britain, Austria, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Denmark. Products in British supermarkets were removed on Thursday after it was discovered that the initial Food Standards Agency claim that 21,000 contaminated eggs had hit the UK was a major underestimate. The FSA now says the figure is more like 700,000."

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/11/tainted-eggs-found-in-hong-kong-switzerland-and-15-eu-countries

Specifically for Cutandpastinova:
First paragraph:

The UK's horsemeat scandal was in "large part" the result of a switch from UK to foreign meat suppliers in 2012 caused by an abrupt change in European regulation that the government failed to contest, according to the expert who led the Food Standards Agency's (FSA) surveillance programme for a decade.

Bolding is mine. So once again, our Government could have chosen to make representations, chose not to bother, and when things went wrong, trotted out the excuse "It's all the EU's fault. "

One good thing now is that this lazy excuse is one they won't be able to fall back on. They will have to look around for others, and no doubt they will.

But thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Worrying - 2 days ago;

"Paradise lost looms for German farmers as swine fever nears"

www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-swinefever/paradise-lost-looms-for-german-farmers-as-swine-fever-nears-idUSKBN1ZX00L

Why can CutAndPasteOva not see the difference between BREAKING THE LAW and LEGAL STANDARDS?

And yet he/she/it claims not to be stupid.

Well, he/she/it probably isn't stupid, however, they are being deliberately obtuse, and trying to obfuscate and mislead. I.e. they're a troll.

"The government did not fight the decision of the European commission (EC), they accepted it, which I thought was a great shame. Food retailers also seemed to be very unconcerned about the change." Everybody bowed down to the EC decision."

"A spokesman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: "Not complying with the changes to de-sinewed meat rules would have risked a devastating ban on UK meat exports and we worked hard to minimise the impact on the food industry."

"It's wrong to say this prompted the subsequent contamination of meat products, but in any case there's absolutely no excuse for any food to be knowingly mislabelled."

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead
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deliberately obtuse, and trying to obfuscate and mislead. i.e. they're a troll.

A bit over dramatic there. I must be stupid after all - I had to look up the meaning of obfuscate.

And still, it doesn't recognise the difference between BREAKING THE LAW and LEGAL STANDARDS...

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead

You are aware that the EU imports some meat from the US already?

"15 July 2019 Imports of hormone-free beef: EU-US agreement confirmed."

www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/07/15/imports-of-hormone-free-beef-eu-us-agreement-confirmed/

"EU on course to allow in more US beef from 2020"

www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/eu-on-course-to-allow-in-more-us-beef-from-2020/

So everyone bowed down to the EC - including the British Government. They could have said 'wait' and some others might have followed them, but they didn't bother.

Egg contamination - people arrested for criminal activities. Not like having low standards as a matter of law.
This is an area where the British consumer has had some effect and it would be a tragedy to throw it away because of Johnson being desperate for a trade deal with the US.

Clavinova

I wasn't talking about Poland, I was talking about the US

So, importing meat that meets EU legal standards is in some way comparable to importing meat that doesn't meet EU (and currently UK) legal standards?

Stop posting complete bullshit! This really is total and utter nonsense!

And you still won't acknowledge the difference between BREAKING THE LAW and LEGAL STANDARDS...

Agree. It's 'whataboutism' at it's finest.

So, importing meat that meets EU legal standards is in some way comparable to importing meat that doesn't meet EU (and currently UK) legal standards?

We haven't agreed to import meat that doesn't meet high standards as far as I'm aware - Guardian speculation.

And you still won't acknowledge the difference between BREAKING THE LAW and LEGAL STANDARDS...

I think you need a glass of wine to calm down. Going to watch TV.

No, all I need is for you to stop posting complete bullshit.

It really would be better for everyone...

In a word, no. I am a remainder and I did not want to leave the EU. Why should I go along with it? Leavers have made their bed, they can lie in it

The outcome, good or bad, effects everyone regardless of where they sleep in the UK.