How can remainers get behind Brexit and pull together ?

[frumpety]

What does this mean in practical terms ? What do I need to actually do to achieve pulling together and getting behind Brexit ? Why does it matter if I and the rest of the 48 million don't ?

The tricky thing is , we don't know what Brexit is , there is still so much uncertainty.
The population of the UK has absolutely no control over what happens in the next four years, regardless of what you think you voted for or hoped would happen, Boris and his government can do exactly as they please without any thought to your hopes or wishes.
And before anyone mentions the obvious 'well people can get rid of them at the next GE' , that is true , but people didn't get rid of them after a decade of imposed austerity, they blamed the causes and effects of that austerity on others. Who know's who the next scapegoat will be ?

I don't understand why anyone would now want the country to fail because it's taken this direction - why? The moral triumph of having one's Cassandra predictions proved right? Pyrrhic victory. Sanctimony. Surely it is better to think of ways - and there will be ways - we can turn as much of it to advantage as possible?

Cool, let's hear some actual practical suggestions then, because what I'm mainly getting from the above is: "emote positively" which we already have.

A few suggestions for scapegoats :

1. The EU, if they don't give the government absolutely everything they ask for.
2. People who didn't vote leave, so the 14.7 million who didn't vote leave and the 13 million who didn't vote.
3. Immigrants, will save some journalists a lot of time and effort if they can just rehash the same old stories.
4. Poor people, if you lose your job and need benefits, then clearly that will be entirely your own fault. Requiring benefits = lacking in moral fibre. You will automatically become a scrounger who is a drain on decent society. Shame on you !
5. The rest of the world if they don't give the government exactly what they ask for.

I think these will be the go to scapegoats, they have worked for the last 47 years on and off

Oh and who voted for our Civil Servants, or Dominic Cummings?

Nobody

So how can you complain that you didn't vote for Barnier? He was at least elected by the EU 27.

So how can you complain that you didn't vote for Barnier? He was at least elected by the EU 27

That’s the

Two wrongs = One right

Approach. Something I have never supported.

'In 1987 the national debt was 38% of GDP, in 1997 it was 41%, in 2007 it was 37% and by 2017 it had rapidly risen to 83%

And yet the Labour Party managed to find 160 'economists' who think the government should borrow significantly more because interest rates are so low.

various predictions from the Bank of England to economic advisers to the government have stated a hard Brexit could see GDP fall by as much as 9%

"Bank of England: no-deal Brexit less severe than first thought" - 'worst case' scenario was 5.5% in September 2019;

"Mark Carney has said the impact of a no-deal Brexit would be less severe than first thought, saying that preparations for a disorderly departure had helped to reduce the likely hit to the UK economy."

"Although maintaining “material risks” to the economy remained, reiterating that crashing out of the EU on 31 October was likely to have a negative impact, the governor of the Bank of England said “real progress” had been made since November last year."

Even in a worst case, no-deal scenario we should expect further 'progress' to be made between September 2019 and 31st December 2020.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead
And still, it doesn't recognise the difference between BREAKING THE LAW and LEGAL STANDARDS...

You did notice of course that the Guardian article dealt predominately with regulatory violations in the US - the examples given in the article were breaches of US food standards, not compliance with them.

Brexit is fairly risk-free for those who only choose to spend part of the year living in the UK though

Not risk free if overseas earnings have been ploughed into UK assets.

Does that include people not paying UK tax and offshoring their savings

Offshore accounts are not covered by FSCS, unlike onshore accounts. As interest rates are low there is little advantage of an offshore account.

Also HMRC have access to offshore accounts.

Well, MysteryTripAgain, remind me again who it was that posted:

Will retire to UK after assets in UK have been distributed elsewhere out of HMRC view.

@frumpety I agree the scapegoating will start soon. The whole "get behind brexit" mantra is just a way to start blaming remainers for any shortcomings of Brexit in my view.

It's pretty clear that no-one has any pointers on what we should actually do to "get behind Brexit" apart from wait for somewhere between 10 and 40 years.

My version of Brexit comprises pushing for BrINO and then ReJoin
and I am firmly BEHIND IT

Cool, let's hear some actual practical suggestions then, because what I'm mainly getting from the above is: "emote positively" which we already have.

Pretty sure I put some earlier on the thread! I think they got lost!

The whole "get behind brexit" mantra

It's not a mantra though, is it? There was always a case for a left wing Brexit based on nationalisation programmes, strategic state aid interventions, youth training instead of outsourcing labour to FoM, etc etc.

It seems to me that campaigning about such things and working towards an Opposition advocating for them would be the most productive route to take now. More chance of avoiding a Singapore on Thames outcome that way.

@ContinuityError

Can’t find on the advanced search

I would not describe myself as particularly left wing. I think I'll probably be following @ListeningQuietly in his/her approach!

Mystery Can’t find on the advanced search

You posted it on Tue Dec 17 15:21:13 on the 'What are you looking forward to most...' thread

(Took less than 20 seconds to find, Mystery!)

It's not a mantra though, is it? There was always a case for a left wing Brexit based on nationalisation programmes, strategic state aid interventions, youth training instead of outsourcing labour to FoM

We've a hard right wing government in power

It seems to me that campaigning about such things and working towards an Opposition advocating for them would be the most productive route to take now. More chance of avoiding a Singapore on Thames outcome that way

....that same gov't has a 80 seat majority, they can do as they please and will do.

@MysteryTripAgain

Either you're being disingenuous or your search skills are seriously lacking.

It was you, in case of any confusion.

@BaileysforBreakfast
@continuity

I will take your word for it. Must have great memories to remember posts that far back.

@WhatKatyDidNot, whilst I understand your reasoning, we need a functioning opposition to make your suggestion work. At the moment, the nearest we have is the SNP.

At the moment, the nearest we have is the SNP

And if Scotland votes for independence you are left with no opposition.

I think it's always useful to know which enthusiastic Brexit cheerleaders have no skin in the game.

And of course advanced search is your friend

Can someone please give Mystery a petard? I think he needs to give himself a hoist...