Please can leavers please tell me how Brexit will benefit us?

[DaveGrohlsMuse]

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered. There's plenty of information out there about how the UK had benefited from membership, but I really struggle to find info on how it's had a negative impact.
So in Jan 2021, once the transition period is over and we actually start to see the impact of the decision, what will improve? How will yours, and mine, and the general population's lives improve?

It is possible for the UK to be outside the EU, but its not possible for the UK to be outside the EU and retain all the benefits of membership.

I'm not in car manufacturing.

Boris has a terrible track record when he has helf any kind of office.

" another I know better statement".

A rote learned critique that you real out any time anyone makes a point that criticises the reasons of leavers, along with your crystal ball statement. They're poor, and actually show that you can't challenge the points being made (something you struggle with anyway).

*@puppylucky

Geralt - that is such a ridiculously nuanced answer that it is almost impossible to relate to the Facebook clips and MSM responses out there. To actually pretend that most people had, or wanted, the deep understanding of the UK /EU relationship that your post assumes is dangerous and patronising.*

So the question someone answers a question asked about Brexit with an answer that offers a legitimate reason to vote leave, beyond rhetoric, and because you can't dismiss it as racist or stupid it's "dangerous and patronising". It's no wonder we are so divided.

No. Not everyone felt like that and had that reasoning guiding their vote. But a sufficient numbers DID and me telling people about it isn't patronising or dangerous. If anything, if Vote Leave had talked more about the inadequacies of the EU in proper terms rather than with lies and without being racist views to the fore, the general public would have been done a better service and we probably wouldn't be so polarised today.

Just dismissing my thoughts says more about you entrenched attitude than me.

Mystery moving back in with bloke A might not be so easy as bloke A might not want you any more.

A rote learned critique that you real out any time anyone makes a point that criticises the reasons of leavers

Incorrect. Always follows a leavers are stupid suggestion/comment from leavers.

along with your crystal ball statement

Incorrect. Always follows a stament from remainers who claim they know exactly what is going to happen in the future.

My challenge to this alleged pychic ability is for remainers to demonstrate such ability. Tell me;

the lottery numbers
what the weather will on 13 June 2020, etc.

The list has no limit.

Mystery moving back in with bloke A might not be so easy as bloke A might not want you any more

That's the gamble you take.

All leavers I know thought it would be bloody difficult but worth it in the long term as they believe that the EU as is can't be sustained and will ultimately collapse. That we are better out before that happens, in a controlled way, in spite of the immediate negatives

Good point

Nope you roll it out any time there is a critique of a reason or justification for a leave vote, its because you can't actually defend that reason.

The point about the EU collapsing is one, as previously said the collapse of the EU would be a seismic economic event which would make the world financial crisis look like a children's tea party.

Nope you roll it out any time there is a critique of a reason or justification for a leave vote, its because you can't actually defend that reason

Incorrect. Look back through the posts. The I know better statement follows your comments such as:

There will be no Brexit benefits

Brexit is stupid

Leave was based on lies, but Honda can lie about why they closed the Swindon plant

All leavers are hypcrites.

as previously said the collapse of the EU would be a seismic economic event which would make the world financial crisis look like a children's tea party

Another I can forecast the future statement.

World lived on after;

WWI and WWII
Depression of 1930's
Plagues
Famines
HIV
Tsunamis

Etc.,

Just to name a few.

This thread is partly entitled about how Brexit will benefit us, not 'Why we voted to leave'. The person who talked about improved animal welfare standards had the right idea - except for the fact that we could always have had better standards than the minimum and now outside the EU we have lost our voice when it comes to trying to improve some of the other EU countries standards.

We have also seen little with recent Governments about improving anything except more money making opportunities for the already very rich.

World lived on after;

WWI and WWII etc. apart from the millions of those killed and those severely injured who lived on with diminished life chances.

apart from the millions of those killed and those severely injured who lived on with diminished life chances

Correct, but the World did not become extinct.

I am still struggling with how so many people voted Leave without thinking about the consequences, and to go on about how they knew what they were voting for.

I think there is a divide here. Most leavers see Brexit primarily as an event. Most remainers see it as a process. And so when we ask what good will come of it, we get responses about the pre-vote arguments not the post-vote actions.

I am still struggling with how so many people voted Leave without thinking about the consequences, and to go on about how they knew what they were voting for

The choice on the ballot paper was leave or remain. More chose leave than remain. Hence UK left the EU at 11pm UK time on 31 Jan 2020.

As negotiations about new trade deals cannot commence until after the UK has left the EU it was impossible to know what the new trade terms (consequences) would be in the 2016 referendum.

Logically there would have been a feasibility study carried out before the referendum was called, but did not happen as DC was a remainer bighead who knows better and was convinced the vote would be a massive majority for remain as peasants would not dare have an opinion that was different to his own.

For many Brexit has already been a success on the basis of;

National pride (EU get stuffed and UK will make their own decisions)

When you divorce a spouse, you know this :-
You are going to take away assets you own, we did this. Get back fishing too.
You know you keep your separate bank accounts.
You at some point stop paying the ex maintenance, lol.
You no longer have to pay into the household budget.
The ex can't control who you see. In our case trade with.
Really this was just the UK getting rid of a cock lodger.

No, I think the UK was probably the cock lodger and will find out that its new mistress, the USA, soon tires.

I really do wonder what will happen to fishing - the UK boat owners happily sold their boats and quotas to mostly the Dutch. Will they have to buy them back? This is a genuine question, BTW. If you sell something legitimately, you can't usually just take it back because the sale is no longer advantageous for you.

@mummy2017

Hahaha. Maybe that's why the term divorce bill had been used in Brexit?

You are going to take away assets you own, we did this. Get back fishing too. - ie keep the assets you owned before the marriage took place as such are not jointly owned matrimonial assets

You know you keep your separate bank accounts - yes

You at some point stop paying the ex maintenance, lol - yes. After leaving the club the membership fees stop, but outstanding debts to the club should be paid

You no longer have to pay into the household budget - Yes as no longer in same house or club

The ex can't control who you see. In our case trade with - Yes. UK can now approach any of the 195 countries in the World

Really this was just the UK getting rid of a cock lodger

No, I think the UK was probably the cock lodger and will find out that its new mistress, the USA, soon tires

UK was third largest contributor to the EU and bought more from the EU than UK sold to the EU. The UK was a very useful customer for the EU.

@Peregrina
As per MN.
If we pay towards the family budget and all the CL does is sits and talks, then gives us our own money back, but uses our money to pay his own wages .
Then that is a CL.

But the other side didn't just sit and talk. Look around you in any deprived area and see what was paid for with EU money.

Anyway, please yourself. If things suddenly improve I will have the grace to admit I was wrong.

But are we not just giving our money to another cocklodger, Boris who will squander it at will with no thought of anyone else in the family.

And doesn't MN always advise people to get their ducks in a row before separating, think we might have missed that step out before we let everyone vote in the referendum.

And Peregrina they are mainly the areas that voted Leave, it's very odd.

You have to laugh with people trusting Boris Johnson - he of all people qualifies as a cock lodger. I wonder how soon he will tire of his current girlfriend? Maybe when his divorce comes through, he will marry her and then there will be a new vacancy for a mistress?

So since the CL bought houses and wine and stuff with our money, why are we not owed money back.
As are his 27 other wife's.

So we are allowed a lover, but we can Chuck him out if we want to.
This is why we are getting a divorce.

That analogy is pathetic.

Shows your level.

What can you not dispute what I am saying?
Would that be because it is true!
A very real reason many people have chosen to leave the EU.