Please can leavers please tell me how Brexit will benefit us?

[DaveGrohlsMuse]

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered. There's plenty of information out there about how the UK had benefited from membership, but I really struggle to find info on how it's had a negative impact.
So in Jan 2021, once the transition period is over and we actually start to see the impact of the decision, what will improve? How will yours, and mine, and the general population's lives improve?

Most people can't fly a plane, but you trust the person who can.
We can't run a govenment, but we know Boris is 100% more capable than us.
Each person in charge relies upon the team to help do the job.
Ask these people, you can write , email or even call.

Wow. Boris track record in office or any job is great isn't it.

How will leaving the EU correct the deficit? What are we going to export?

Because it opens the door to trade with the growing non EU market.

Donations are not the same as membership.payments. A donation is charitable and receives nothing back. That is your use of language and it isn't accurate

Word it any which you wish. Fact is money paid by UK to the EU is greater than what EU gives back. UK is a net donor/membership payer/contributor, etc.

So the worst case scenario treasury prediction didn't come true?

See. Even by your own admission it was wrong.

Wow we have explained that many times and you still come out with it

Treasury forecast was between 500,000 and 800,000 jobs would be lost by a leave vote. No caveats whatsoever about Cameron stepping down, etc.

Which opportunities? On what terms? With whom? Be specific

As you pointed out previously negotiations on new deals can only start AFTER UK LEAVES THE EU That was a mere 3 days ago. Target is to have concluded deals by end of 2020.

Never a challenge mystery

Incorrect. Challenge to all 16.1 million remain supporters still stands as never answered. So again I will ask:

IF REMAIN SUPPORTERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO FORECAST THE FUTURE WITH CERTAINTY WHY ARE EACH AND EVERYONE OF THEM BILLIONAIRES. SURELY THEIR PHYSIC POWERS WOULD ENABLE THEM TO MAKE CERTAIN BUY AND SELL TRANSACTIONS ON THE STOCK MARKETS ALL OVER THE WORLD

If you wish to demonstrate your infallible way of knowing the future post the lottery numbers that will be drawn.

Comparing the share of pint to the share of 10 pints doesn't work

Sounds like some Abbott mathematics here. One pint is 10% of 10 pints isn’t it?

malylis could right this second walk into his job and do it.
We all know you can't.
Pretend all you like but your just a watcher just like everyone else on MN.

We can't run a govenment, but we know Boris is 100% more capable than us.

I would beg to differ on that one. Do you recollect Gove telling us that we had had enough of experts? Yet apparently now the Government is the fount of all wisdom.

Time will tell, but the first few weeks have not exactly been promising.

BTW people who fly planes have to undergo training and e.g. pass regular medicals to ascertain whether they are fit to fly - recall the German wings pilot who crashed into the mountain the other year, after falsifying his medical record. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can collect the ten signatures, pay the deposit and put up for Parliament, and some quite unsuitable people do get selected as a result.

"We can't run a govenment, but we know Boris is 100% more capable than us."

Well as they say - 100% better then nothing is, well, nothing. 🤷

You voted for it, you won't explain it because you know it sounds stupid (and is)

Another I know better statement.

But mummy that was one of the reasons I couldn’t vote Leave, I really couldn’t trust the government to sort this out.

Would you trust an airline pilot if you had seen him drinking a bottle of vodka before getting on the plane, because he still knows more about flying a plane than you?

Boris already seems to have screwed school budgets for next year, so no I don’t trust him to do a good job with Brexit.

All leavers are hypocrites

Another I know better statement

Come on, lets me see the colour of your money then.
When you get elected to the cabinet maybe your words will carry weight, but until then we have who we voted into office.
We being the country as a whole, using the system that is set out in law for the UK.
The same system that has meant both Tory and Labour have both been in charge.

@MysteryTripAgain
PHYSIC OR PSYCHIC? Yes, I'm shouting ...

Would you trust an airline pilot if you had seen him drinking a bottle of vodka before getting on the plane, because he still knows more about flying a plane than you?

On a similar topic, I heard the ex MP Denis Skinner talking about how he believed it was important when voting in Parliament to be be sober. As an ex-miner he knew that someone who was drunk would not be allowed to go down the pit because they would be a menace and would endanger lives, and he felt that the same should apply to people voting for the welfare of the Country. This was not a viewpoint shared by all his fellow MPs.

PHYSIC OR PSYCHIC?

Either. Telepathic if you wish.

What are the winning lottery numbers. The remain supporters claim they know the future. So let’s see it demonstrated.

@mummmy2017

Malylis works in car manufacturing based on what they have previously posted. That sector is looking wobbly at the moment and may disappear altogether.

Here's one way it's going to affect us:

No-deal Brexit / WTO tariffs paid by importers of UK exports:

Beef 84%
Cheese 57%
Wheat 53%
Butter 48%
Lamb 48%
Pork 30%
Potatoes 11.5%
Fish 9.6%

Current EU membership tariffs:

Beef 0%
Cheese 0%
Wheat 0%
Butter 0%
Lamb 0%
Pork 0%
Potatoes 0%
Fish 0%

I am still struggling with how so many people voted Leave without thinking about the consequences, and to go on about how they knew what they were voting for.

It’s like if you were living with bloke A and you realised your life was rubbish and decided it must all be bloke A’s fault. You bump into bloke B down the pub and he asks you to move in with him. And you decide to without knowing what he is like, where he lives etc, because it’s got to be better than living with bloke A. And then you find it isn’t, and actually bloke A wasn’t that bad and it was actually everything else in your life that was bad.

So many people in deprived areas voted Leave as they blamed the deprivation on the EU. Even if Brexit is a success the chances of these people benefitting from it are very slim, and in the short term their lives are going to be so much harder, as most of their issues having nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

Truthfully, there are people who leave bloke A to live with bloke B and find out that he is as useless as A was. I have known one definitely like that, and it doesn't matter what you tell them, they have to find out the hard way.

Nothing chase changed for decades.
We had nothing to lose, we want a massive change.

For the worse?

Every doom situation to do with Brexit Nevers seems to happen.
Or comes good.
Think your gonna have to try harder on the project fear.

But if the things that haven’t changed for decades are nothing to do with the EU why will they change now?

And pretty much everyone agrees that things are going to be tough in the first few years of Brexit, even those who think it is the best thing in the world, nothing to do with Project Fear. So if things are tough already for people it stands to reason it’s going to get worse at least in the short term (which could in fact be quite a long short term)

We were given the vote.
But are you saying that it is not possible for the UK to be outside the EU.
If so that is not a Union, that is a prison.

And then you find it isn’t, and actually bloke A wasn’t that bad and it was actually everything else in your life that was bad

So move back in with A

If so that is not a Union, that is a prison

Good analogy. Bit like saying once you have started with an employer you can never leave and look elsewhere.

Nothing changed for decades Mummy2017 , that is a good point, including the last decade under the Conservatives ?

You are also correct that we are all watchers, and will be for the next 4 years until the next GE , none of us, leaver or remainer, has any control over what happens next.
What happens in the next four years is entirely down to Boris and his government. It is up to him to safe guard all the rights and protections we have enjoyed, no erosion of rights or standards will be acceptable. Do you agree ?