Please can leavers please tell me how Brexit will benefit us?

[DaveGrohlsMuse]

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered. There's plenty of information out there about how the UK had benefited from membership, but I really struggle to find info on how it's had a negative impact.
So in Jan 2021, once the transition period is over and we actually start to see the impact of the decision, what will improve? How will yours, and mine, and the general population's lives improve?

That’s what government should be spelling out, but so far have not. So far lots of talk what is going to be done, but not a lot on how.

The people I used to work with up in Teesside were very hopeful that the steelworks would reopen when Brexit happened. I said I thought the steelworks had probably shut down due to globalisation, cheaper steel from China, etc. rather than the EU. Blank faces all round.

That’s what government should be spelling out, but so far have not. So far lots of talk what is going to be done, but not a lot on how.

Dear God, that is a Remainer reply. You Leavers knew exactly what you were voting for, so you should be able to say.

I’ll repeat. I didn’t vote for something. I voted against something.

What happens next remains to be seen.

So you voted against something without knowing or considering what the alternative was?

Makes sense from a leave voter tbh

You really cover yourselves in glory on this thread.

The choice was leave or remain. Arguments which was best were presented by both campaigns. People then chose which they thought had the most advantages.

My vote to leave was for trade.

EU is shrinking
UK is the third largest donor, but has a trade deficit.

Non EU is growing
UK has trade surplus with non EU

So far Boris has mentioned trade deals with; US, Japan and new deal with EU, but no details.

So you voted against something without knowing or considering what the alternative was?

The alternative to leave was remain as specified on the ballot paper.

Makes sense from a leave voter tbh

Yet another I know better statement, but without the crystal ball to back it up.

If remain supporters can forecast the future with 100% certainty they would not be bothered about Brexit as they would have already made billions on the stock market as they would know exactly when to buy and sell shares.

What happens next remains to be seen

This is accurate.

As stated many times, if voters think Brexit is not working they can become rejoin supporters.

Hula Indeed they are very hopeful the steelworks will re-open, with lots of encouragement from the local MP.

Tea towels -aren't the vast majority of souvenir tea towels printed in the UK, my bog standard Sainsburys/ JL ones are made in India but any special printed ones are the UK. I guess there is hope there, as no-one will be able to afford to holiday abroad, we will all holiday in the UK and there will be an increase in demand for seaside tea towels.

The Uk has a trade deficit because of UK government decisions.

It is not a donor.

Plenty of people could see a leave vote coming and did make millions including leave backers.

I know better ? You fail to understand that whilst the ballot box may be equal, opinions are not.

Why do remain voters need a crystal ball? Proved right so far.

Which bit of the leave predictions have come true?

Oh and the point about EU trade shrinking? Rote learned and shows utter ignorance of world trade.

Vacuous.

Oh and the steelworks won't reopen

I voted for change. The current situation was bad. I didn’t do any research. I gambled on change. For good or bad, remains to be seen.

What did you vote to change?

Given that the question is how will Brexit benefit us, I could have some sympathy with those who voted for more money for the NHS, having been falsely told by Johnson, that it was payments to the EU which meant that the money wasn't there, and not that it was a political choice to starve the NHS of money.

What was bad with the current situation? If you didn’t like the current situation weren’t you worried that Brexit might be worse?

The Uk has a trade deficit because of UK government decisions

Irrelevant. The deficit is there and needs to be corrected.

It is not a donor

So UK pays nothing to the EU at all? That’s a new angle from remain. Any other remain supporters care to post the same?

Plenty of people could see a leave vote coming and did make millions including leave backers

Except you by the sound of things

I know better ? You fail to understand that whilst the ballot box may be equal, opinions are not

Correct. Leave won by a 52:48 majority.

Why do remain voters need a crystal ball? Proved right so far

Including the 800,000 job losses?

Which bit of the leave predictions have come true

Leave based on opportunities not wild guesses about job losses and other scare mongering such as; lack of drugs, food, etc. Even Ken Dodd acknowledges on another thread that remain was based on predictions as opposed to facts.

Oh and the point about EU trade shrinking? Rote learned and shows utter ignorance of world trade

EU is only 15% of world trade and is shrinking as China and India move up the ladder.

I voted for change. The current situation was bad. I didn’t do any research. I gambled on change. For good or bad, remains to be seen

A good and honest post.

What was bad with the current situation?

UK pays more to the EU than it gets back.

If you didn’t like the current situation weren’t you worried that Brexit might be worse?

I wasn’t. There is no such thing as reward without risk.

malysis I know that, sadly. But it is a vote winner to keep telling the people of the area that they are "doing all that they can to bring steel back"

I am not really interested in why you voted to Leave the EU Mystery: You won, get over it. I want to hear the benefits. So far it's we might be able to do some trade deals with the USA and Japan. Last week, leaders of the Ceramics industry told Liz Truss that they did 57% of their existing trade with the EU and need a deal. She happily burbled on about how they might at some unspecified date in the future, do an unspecified deal with the USA. Is this instead of with the EU? What happens to the existing trade? Do the firms shut up shop for 5 or 10 years, with the happy chance that they can bring themselves out of a mothballed state afterwards?

These are the answers that are needed now; the Brexiters won, so it's up to them to provide them.

How will leaving the EU correct the deficit? What are we going to export? Goods tend to get imported in higher levels than services get exported.

Donations are not the same as membership.payments. A donation is charitable and receives nothing back. That is your use of language and it isn't accurate.

" Except you by the sounds of things" ad hom fail.

So the worst case scenario treasury prediction didn't come true? Wow we have explained that many times and you still come out with it. Proves the rote learned argument point.

But you knew right that a trade deficit is counter acted by a capital account surplus right?

Levae based on opportunities? Which opportunities? On what terms? With whom? Be specific.

The EU is only 15 percent of world trade, but its bigger than in was in 1980 (which is the figure you are comparing it to, I know you didn't know that but hey, every little helps eh?) but in real terms its far larger. Comparing the share of pint to the share of 10 pints doesn't work.

Never a challenge mystery, just rote learned poorly understood posts again and again. Total lack of any economic or geopolitical understanding shown.

Sad.

These are the answers that are needed now; the Brexiters won, so it's up to them to provide them

Government task to implement the vote. If you think they are doing a bad job vote them out at next election.

I’m just an ordinary voter. With a vote. Not an economist or a financial wizard or business woman. I can’t possibly answer all your terribly clever questions @malylis.

Ah the abdication of responsibility.

You voted for it, you won't explain it because you know it sounds stupid (and is).

But surely people who voted Leave must have had some idea of what would happen, other than just leaving the EU. How could you make such a monumental decision without having some idea? If you thought being in the EU was bad, you must have worked out how the EU was making things bad and therefore what would improve when we left.

When you make other big decisions in your life, don't you research first before making decisions? Why wouldn't you before voting Leave. It's just common sense isn't it

You can restrict it to the Brexiters in Government if you like, but some of us would like to think that the citizens who were entrusted with making the decision, might like to have some input into what the Government decides.

So if it were to suit Johnson to try to do a sudden about turn,(unlikely now), and say, scrap that, it was a mistake, can we go back in, you would say - 'Whatever'. It's a Government decision? I don't think so.

Apparently you dont have to have an idea.

You don't have to explain, you can castigate every one else all you like but your own reasons are sacrosanct.

All leavers are hypocrites.