Brexit - the Good, the Bad and hopefully not the Ugly

[Bearbehind]

Following on the thread about how we will measure the successes or failures of Brexit, I’m just leaving this one here for people to record the successes and failures as they occur / as they see them

All welcome if you discuss the subject of the thread - this isn’t a thread for moaning about the fact Brexit is happening! 😁

Honda is being political there, they cited Brexit outside of the UK. The machines for the upgrade were on the water, and had left Japan. They turned the container around.

Renault own the largest stake in Nissan, and Nissan own part of Renault. It doesn't stop them doing what they like but the ibter

The largest growing market for electric cars is the EU not Japan (the EU is significantly bigger)

Just looking for excuses mystery.

So no Nissan investment in new lines (despite plans)

Ditto Toyota.

Swindon closing.

Nothing to see here, nope.

Positives of Brexit : Nigel Farage is no longer an elected representative of this country
nor is Anne Widdecombe
nor is Daniel Hannan
nor is Richard Tice
nor is Annunziata Rees-Mogg
nor is Claire Fox
nor is Rupert Lowe
small mercies
even better is that most of them are not entitled to a pension having not sat for a year

Negative of Brexit : Farage and his ex wife and his kids all get chunky EU pensions for the rest of their lives

I thought of a positive! I've been trying to think of one all day.

Blue passports!

Personally I don't give a shit what colour my passport is, I only care about the rights it gives me.

Blue passports = fewer rights.
Burgundy passport = more rights.

It won't make me happy but some people will be.

Please, please, please can we leave this thread open for the actual positives and negatives as they occur

About 5 people have been to-ing and fro-ing for 6 pages on the same tired, circular arguments

If you want to do that, start your own thread

Please can we just post on this one as things develop

The thread will then die a death Bear,
Remainers see brexit as a disaster, (given some of the things that have happened, with good cause) and leavers, after 3.5years can't name a single tangible benefit..... its all Lets see what happens over the next 5 to 10 years!

After todays Huawei decision, even the much vaunted US/UK FTA may not even happen.

Sorry but if anyone wants me to get behind an idea, it needs to be better than that.

I really don’t mind if it dies a death.......until something actually changes

All the discussions today were virtually copied and pasted from those of more than 3 years ago

It makes no difference if you ‘get behind the idea’ or not - it’s happening

Can we reserve this thread for things that have actually happened, not endless speculation

Bear - the Huawei decision has just happened... it WILL impact on our relations with the USA but like the other arguments i ve made both for and against brexit, they are ignored, so i'll be hiding this thread, waste of fxxking time.

Its certainly not of the same quality of your previous one.

I've enjoyed the discussions on this thread. Don't see the point of just postings lists continually.

jas how the Huawei decision will affect a US trade deal is pure speculation

ghost I’m sure you have enjoyed the discussions - you must get something out of them as you’ve dominated them by arguing constantly with mystery over the same old same old

I’ve made about 3 posts since it went downhill because it’s pointless rehashing such arguments

I've suggested succeses/failures but everything is speculation at this point. We wont know the true outcome of everything until years down the line. You want answers/reassurance but nobody can give them to you.

Just looking for excuses mystery

No. Quoting the link in which Honda said their decision to close the Swindon plant was due to greater demand in Asia. Article did not mention Japan specifically as I remember.

Where are the links for the statement issued by Honda in Japan?

Honda changed their tune on Brexit, after a senior manager was quoted as saying Brexit was a significant reason in a meeting earlier in the year

Is there a link?

In a fresh statement Honda softened its tone, saying that “no one single event” was to blame. “Honda is on record as stating that its preferred scenario following Brexit is one that delivers frictionless trade, access to talent and regulatory alignment,” the company said

Is there a link? As per Maylis Brexit was the only reason Honda closed the Swindon factory

Two pieces of news from today's events:

The independent migration advisory committee has rejected a full shift to an Australian points-based system, publishing detailed research which gives a picture of how a reformed immigration system might look after Brexit and the ending of freedom of movement for EU nationals.

I haven't read more, but it begs the question about what the system will be.

Boris Johnson’s government spent £46m on a “Get Ready for Brexit” campaign in October, but demonstrated little evidence it left the public better prepared, Whitehall’s spending watchdog has found.

One to add to the 'money wasted' list.

Honda is playing PR mystery.

It has been said previously that Brexit was a major reason in its decisions. You've already been shown a quote where they changed their tone.

Swindon advertiser finds the same info I discussed about ships turning round and the plans being cancelled, just one of many.

But you'll only believe what confirms your bias.

Pootles on to the thread and mentions I have 14,000 'Boris buggered Brexit' badges for a quid each, enamel lapel badges can be ordered at extra cost if you like shiny stuff.

^ not really ^

^ could be really if the demand is there^

Positives - it seems that UK will be standing ground on many positions in regards to 'standards' - most of which the UK exceeds or sets as standard anyway (eg: CAA standards).

The Excrutiating Uncertainty Period is over.

Negatives - There is now no certainty about anything until agreements are made.

after 3.5years can't name a single tangible benefit

Maybe their de ideas based on what they see as intangible benefits?

Whatever the reason doesn’t change the fact that UK is leaving the EU.

You want answers/reassurance but nobody can give them to you.

No I don’t

I want a thread where people post about the repercussions as they actually happen

Not one where people speculate about the same stuff they’ve been doing for 4 years

Forgot to add:

Huawei states that they are completely separate from the Chinese Govt and are free to do what they want.

Mwahahahhahaha.... seriously?

It has been said previously that Brexit was a major reason in its decisions. You've already been shown a quote where they changed their tone

Where is the link.

Swindon advertiser finds the same info I discussed about ships turning round and the plans being cancelled, just one of many

Is there a link for the Swindon advertiser?

But you'll only believe what confirms your bias

Seeing is believing. So produce the links that support your arguments.

Negatives - There is now no certainty about anything until agreements are made

As per Maylis that was the intent of Article 50. No indication of what the future relationship might be until after the withdrawal agreement is finalised and trade deals have been made.

Sounds odd to me that the object of Article 50 was to have businesses in the leaving member state who export to the EU and businesses in the EU who export to the UK all in limbo for years.

how the Huawei decision will affect a US trade deal is pure speculation

Really? you think that everyone from Trump down telling the UK "Don't use Huawei" was just idle chit chat? Trump isn't known for his forgiving character, ask May or Macron.

Trump also has an election to fight (and an impeachment) he is now trying to solve the Palestinian problem,
The very best FTA with the US will increase UK GDP by 0.2%, far less for a huge economy like the USA's its not a priority for them BUT they'd have done a deal to help Johnson, now they won't.

TBF discussing things after they've happened is a bit pointless.

@HateIsNotGood

Positives - it seems that UK will be standing ground on many positions in regards to 'standards' - most of which the UK exceeds or sets as standard anyway (eg: CAA standards).

How is that a positive of Brexit? Genuine question? It just seems like 'not negative' in that (so far) we haven't reduced standards.

One to add to the 'money wasted' list

In addition to the £9 million spent by Cameron on booklets sent to every household in the UK in 2016