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Brexit - the Good, the Bad and hopefully not the Ugly

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Bearbehind · 27/01/2020 18:53

Following on the thread about how we will measure the successes or failures of Brexit, I’m just leaving this one here for people to record the successes and failures as they occur / as they see them

All welcome if you discuss the subject of the thread - this isn’t a thread for moaning about the fact Brexit is happening! 😁

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OverTheRainbowLiesOz · 28/01/2020 20:06

Friend's son granted Irish citizenship (Irish Grandmother) and is moving to Denmark.

malylis · 28/01/2020 20:07

www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17471496.honda-reveals-it-had-plans-to-make-electric-cars-in-swindon-before-plant-closure/

There you go.

You were given the link and the quote for the softening stance earlier. This information is all out there but you chose one article that confirms your bias.

You have also made up an anecdote about knowing someone at Nissan who is being transferred to Japan (not happening).

Proven wrong yet again. Equipment already installed, some turned round, changes made.

malylis · 28/01/2020 20:10

you can't negotiate a trade deal whilst still in the EU. The future relationship part is your misunderstanding of its meaning, no one else's. You also falsely accused the EU of making up its own rules, when it didn't.

Btw the 9 million spent by Cameron waz required by the referendum act 2015. The Government was required to inform house holds of its position.

No act, no leaflet, no referendum.

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Bearbehind · 28/01/2020 20:11

TBF discussing things after they've happened is a bit pointless

And discussing them before they’ve happened, and before we even know what is going to happen is better how?

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HateIsNotGood · 28/01/2020 20:13

Genuine answer Ken - rather than waiting for the EU to catch up with UK standards, the UK can go out and strut its stuff.

I gave CAA as a UK Standard - please do refer to any EU member state standard that is better - or any Aviation Standards held by any other country that improves on the UK CAA Standards.

I'm happy to hear your advice on this.

MysteryTripAgain · 28/01/2020 20:17

You were given the link and the quote for the softening stance earlier. This information is all out there but you chose one article that confirms your bias

Read the Article, but can’t see a reference to Brexit anywhere? The article recorded that there were rumours that a UK bound ship was turned around, but nothing else. I wouldn’t call that Article proof that plant closure was solely attributable to Brexit.

malylis · 28/01/2020 20:19

The first quote you given directly referenced brexit in terms of the softening.

I wonder what event might have occured which made car production less viable in the UK?

Your quote is just PR puff to stop bad press for Honda in the UK.

Its funny which one you chose to believe.

jasjas1973 · 28/01/2020 20:21

Its the nature of people/gossip/forums....

As i said the Huawei decision will have costs, that's not just my opinion, its many experts in security and political commentators plus several republican senators are very unhappy, many other countries have stopped using Huawei, though i do appreciate we don't take any notice of experts......

Understand why the UK did it, the 4G network is heavy reliant on Huawei kit, so that would need to be removed as 5G is built on this network, there are alternatives but once again we went for cost or buy cheap pay twice as my Gran would say.

I wouldn't buy a Lenovo laptop let alone trust a Chinese firm to be involved in our security infrastructure.

MysteryTripAgain · 28/01/2020 20:23

you can't negotiate a trade deal whilst still in the EU

So all businesses in the UK who export to the EU and those businesses in the EU who export to the UK have to endure years of uncertainty. Can’t see how that benefits anyone?

The poster Limited123 was asking questions about how businesses should be guided by the UK government through the future relationship. Maybe you can answer as if the intent was that all businesses sit in limbo for years I can’t see how Boris can help?

MysteryTripAgain · 28/01/2020 20:28

The first quote you given directly referenced brexit in terms of the softening

Do you have a link for that too?

I wonder what event might have occured which made car production less viable in the UK?

Honda are still selling cars in the UK aren’t they. My mother has just bought a new Jazz.

Your quote is just PR puff to stop bad press for Honda in the UK

Firstly it was not my quote. It was an article written in the Guardian.

Secondly if Honda don’t want to do business in the UK why would they be bothered by bad press.

MysteryTripAgain · 28/01/2020 20:32

@Maylis

Your knowledge of a local newspaper, the Swindon Advertiser, suggests you are from that area? Have you lost your Job due to the Swindon Plant closure?

Limitedsimba123 · 28/01/2020 20:33

Mystery my point was that Peter Foster of the telegraph has reported that the government have failed to consult with business on what they require in a FTA until now. Certain industry leaders have been attempting to get answers from gov to urgent questions and have had no response. Why have they not been cracking on with prep like this when we have a tight timescale. The EU have already got their side sorted.

frumpety · 28/01/2020 20:36

I thought we were leaving on the 31st ? then we can start the whole rigmarole of negotiating trade deals Mystery ?

jasjas1973 · 28/01/2020 20:38

Firstly it was not my quote. It was an article written in the Guardian

no it wasn't it was the Independent, my quote was from the Guardian!

Secondly if Honda don’t want to do business in the UK why would they be bothered by bad press

UK decided to make trading harder for companies here....you know thats what happens when you give complex decisions to people who don't understand the full implications.

MysteryTripAgain · 28/01/2020 20:40

The EU have already got their side sorted

So EU have a list of FTA expectations from businesses all over Europe? How did they do it?

Even if EU have such a list where is the certainty they will be included in the final deal, assuming a deal is made at all?

malylis · 28/01/2020 20:40

Car production mystery not sales. A difference.

I'm not from Swindon, i am though an expert in the economics of the automotive industry (and other areas).

Your article repeated a press release by Honda, and it was in the independent.

Honda want to sell cars in the UK, its just no longer economical to build them, they don't want to admit that they are leaving because of brexit as it would be negative PR.

You realise there is a difference between operating in the UK and manufacturing here.?

Catsingangs · 28/01/2020 20:45

So all businesses in the UK who export to the EU and those businesses in the EU who export to the UK have to endure years of uncertainty. Can’t see how that benefits anyone?

Think I have just witnessed a light bulb moment.

MysteryTripAgain · 28/01/2020 20:47

Honda want to sell cars in the UK, its just no longer economical to build them

Is that because electric cars are not in big demand in the UK? I don’t know anyone who has an electric car. Likewise a car plugged into the two chargers at a local Sainsbury’s is a rare sight.

2 charger points in a car park that has hundreds of spaces suggests that electric cars have not sold well in the UK?

Electric cars seem to get poor reports in car magazines. Poor range, expensive to buy, replacement batteries are expensive, etc. Has that hit demand?

MysteryTripAgain · 28/01/2020 20:52

Think I have just witnessed a light bulb moment

Wasn’t meant to be. It was a question. Find it hard to believe that all EU members would draft an Article that stalled business in both sides of the fence in the event that a member chose to leave. Where is the benefit?

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 28/01/2020 20:52

Genuine answer Ken - rather than waiting for the EU to catch up with UK standards, the UK can go out and strut its stuff.

Er, there were no rules that we couldn't make our standards better than the EU floor levels (as evidenced by the fact that we had some that were higher). However, the fact that Boris has said that he doesn't want to comply with those minimums, suggests rather the opposite...

ListeningQuietly · 28/01/2020 20:53

shop.conservatives.com/
Printed in the UK
but not manufactured in the UK
or arriving in time for Brexit

Limitedsimba123 · 28/01/2020 20:53

Mystery if you look at the TF50 site and all docs you will see many documents re internal EU preparatory discussions for future relationship. I understand they have wrapped up all prep and produced more slides but they haven’t been published yet.

Jason118 · 28/01/2020 20:54

Oh look a squirrel. Back to the main topic, where are all the good things, and I don't mean things that stay the same, I mean all the improvements. Please, just one. I'm sure once we get one, others will pour in.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 28/01/2020 20:54

Find it hard to believe that all EU members would draft an Article that stalled business in both sides of the fence in the event that a member chose to leave. Where is the benefit?

Well, that's not what the article says, is it. But, quite frankly, they each have 26 other countries they can use to temper their disappointment at not being able to use the massively superior UK products.

We, however...

KenDodd · 28/01/2020 20:57

@HateIsNotGood

Please correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it EU standards are a floor, not a ceiling so we are already free the exceed these (and do) or 'strut its stuff'. Boris Johnson removed legal minimums from the WA so post Brexit we are also free to reduce standards (workers rights for example). Please do correct me if I'm wrong. If I am correct though, I don't see how us not reducing standards is a positive of Brexit as Brexit hasn't enabled us to keep standards the same as the EU were not forcing a reduction in standards?