How will we measure Brexit’s success or failure?

[Bearbehind]

I’ve been pondering this for ages now

In any ‘normal’ project you’d have targets, objectives, deadlines, reviews etc but for Brexit beyond 2 deadlines of 31/1/20 and 31/12/20 there’s nothing

People talk about politicians being accountable now but what do we expect them to deliver and by when

Do you actually mean 'make the best of it', or do you really mean 'suck it up'?

Take your pick - it doesn’t bother me

At the end of the day you have to do one or the other

In my head the only difference is your attitude to it

I'm not surprised you didn't answer the main thrust of my post - how do we make the best of it? How will you be doing that?

By just getting on with what ever happens - what’s the alternative?

i think you're talking about passive acceptance. Am I right?

To seek. known leave posters out on other MN boards merely to ask for/demand 'answers' about Brexit would be unnecessary harassment

So no one can ask leavers, on a clearly leavers biased thread, what their hopes for Brexit success would be because they would consider such a question unacceptable. Yep, that's what I said in my post

I think you're talking about passive acceptance. Am I right?

I have no idea

You can call it whatever you like - ultimately you are going to have to accept it because it is happening

We still don't know what Brexit will look like (neither does the govt).

Lots of lobbying still going on behind the scenes, lots still to play for.

I have no idea

So, you literally don't know what you mean by 'make the best of it', but we should all do it?

This is just so typical of the nonsensical rhetoric around Brexit.

ultimately you are going to have to accept it because it is happening
Why do you think I haven't 'accepted' it, Bear?
I have. I don't like it. I don't support it. I don't believe it will be good for this country. I will continue to write to my MP to hold him to account for the promises his party made (the one you voted for) and he will - probably - continue to ignore his constituents. But I do 'accept' it is going to happen.

So no one can ask leavers, on a clearly leavers biased thread, what their hopes for Brexit success would be

I did not say that

I said this:
To seek known leave posters out on other MN boards merely to ask for/demand 'answers' about Brexit would be unnecessary harassment

It is entirely different

Following posters round other boards to barrack them would constitute harassment

If there's a thread that you want to draw attention to, or invite posters with a certain viewpoint to post on, that's not harassment (unless of course you continually spam them with stuff in an attempt to be provocative or goad)

For example, the OP of this thread simply posted a link to this thread and invited posters to contribute - no problem at all.

Anyway, I don't want to continue the derail of this thread (apologies for doing so Bear)
I will disengage now

arkansas I really don’t know what you want me to say

I’ve said I don’t think there’s any alternative than to just get on with whatever happens

I know we don’t know what that is

I have no more answers

But what alternative do you think there is? What else can any of us do?

If voters elect the Conservative Government next time round with the same or an increased majority then, it could be argued, the voters deem that the current government have made a success Brexit.

But of course this depends on what happens to and within the Labour Party.

Corbyn was an amazing recruiting agent for the Tories this time.

Following posters round other boards to barrack them would constitute harassment

Yes it would be. But since that isn't remotely what I suggested then there's no problem, despite your best efforts to create one.

Glad to hear you're disengaging from this thread

If voters elect the Conservative Government next time round with the same or an increased majority then, it could be argued, the voters deem that the current government have made a success Brexit. But of course this depends on what happens to and within the Labour Party

That doesn't make sense

If voters elect the Conservative Government next time round with the same or an increased majority then, it could be argued, the voters deem that the current government have made a success Brexit.
That's an illogical argument. We need more tangible measures of success because people vote on more than a single issue. Take Bear, for example: didn't want Brexit, voted Tory.
As I suggested above, the success could be measured against the promises that were actually made by the Leave campaign. Wouldn't you agree, Copper, that that would be a more logical measure, ie. they promised x, y and z and delivered x, y and z?

Arkadas, I agree to some extend, but not entirely.

As I said much earlier on this thread, success and failure mean different things to different people.
Personally I don't care what they or anyone else promised.
I am happy to be rid of the ECJ. I like our laws to be made and enforced here. So as soon as we are out I will call that a success.

For others, for whom FOM is important, this will always be a failure regardless of how successful or otherwise the promises are.

Arkadas - I like your posts and I agree with you 100%.

I am trying to make the best of it so I have stockpiled as much as I can, which is already saving me money because it has forced me to be more organised and think about what I buy carefully - I'm seeing this as a positive at the moment.

Some people are seeing Brexit as an opportunity to make money. If you can think of ways to do this without a lot of money to invest please let me know.

Why would anyone not want FOM? And what is Brexit going to bring that can possibly compensate for us losing this?

arkansas you pulled me up for not answering your question now you’ve done the same

What do you honestly believe you can do now to avoid whatever the repercussions of Brexit are other than make the best of them?

its seems that the Tory vote in December was about dragging everyone through brexit in the hope that dissenters would shut up and drink the kool aid.
Sadly for them remainers have and continue to take personal measures to mitigate against brexit, obtaining other passports if possible, saving, prepping, relocating etc.

The anger here stems from remainers not falling into line whereas those tory voters who disagree with brexit are left pissing in the wind. After enabling a tory brexit there is now apparently nothing they can do except offer themselves up as sacrificial lambs to the brexit experiment, seeking reassurance from the internet that there might be some upsides.

Corbyn was an amazing recruiting agent for the Tories this time.

Ain’t that the truth

After enabling a tory brexit there is now apparently nothing they can do except offer themselves up as sacrificial lambs to the brexit experiment, seeking reassurance from the internet that there might be some upsides.

So what else can you do then?

Bleating achieves nothing

What else have you got?

UK has been making a loss on EU trade since 1999. Current deficit is around £64 billion.

A yes/no answer would suffice.

Its explained in my post the things people are doing to mitigate against brexit effects on themselves and their family.

But none of those change what’s happening and they aren’t available to many