How will we measure Brexit’s success or failure?

[Bearbehind]

I’ve been pondering this for ages now

In any ‘normal’ project you’d have targets, objectives, deadlines, reviews etc but for Brexit beyond 2 deadlines of 31/1/20 and 31/12/20 there’s nothing

People talk about politicians being accountable now but what do we expect them to deliver and by when

my father hated the Germans too and Japanese because of the War. He didn't vote because he was dead

All those who experienced the effects of the potato famine in Ireland during the mid 1800s are dead, but have subsequent generations forgotten about it completely? No they have not.

No. Why? Is someone forcing you?

No.

why not just completely ignore those saying "Brexit is shit" and only engage with those who are trying to engage with the topic

I tried that but they’re taking over the thread because they think it’s their new place to vent and get an audience

The Brexit Arms had the right idea - moving!

So if trade outside the EU expands but we lose trade from the EU resulting in a net loss, will that still be a success?

As for the potato famine - yes, it affects many of us still, it's why some of my were born in England and not Ireland, and yes, it will have informed some votes. The preservation of the GFA was the clincher for me - otherwise I would have dearly loved to give Cameron a kick in the teeth, but I don't think my reason was a majority one.

The Johnson's and Trusses etc. of the Government need to remember this when they bleat on about the wonderful trade deals they will do with the USA because of the huge Irish diaspora there.

Well, Bear, I've given you a long and detailed answer to your OP, so perhaps you could address that.

A good list Arkadas.

arkansas your list of expectations is sensible and reasonable and it will be interesting to see how we fare against each of those

I can't see that any of the BeLeavers on this thread have posted a list - or even a couple of examples - of how they will measure the success of Brexit. Interesting that, given that they knew what they were voting for and should therefore have a very clear idea of what success will/won't look like.

Measure this:

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There are very few BeLeavers in this thread

I’m not ignoring posts which are actually on topic

Rubbish, i have given a whole list of area's we could judge the success of brexit on or otherwise... you didn't reply to any of them, it doesn't bother me because you re a so called remainer who voted for a tory brexit, because (for you) the tory party can do no wrong! truth hurts but that's the reality.

As far as I am concerned anyone who voted Tory this time is now responsible for Brexit, regardless of how they voted originally. I say this because the moderate Tories got chased out of the party.

So when the money doesn't appear in the old Red Wall, and the NHS gets worse, and the magnificent trade deals don't appear, at least have the grace to own it.

but the fact is they were some people’s reasons and you will never change that

Exactly. And there's no reason to expect the other side to change their deeply held beliefs about the stupidity and deceit involved in bringing about Brexit, yet you keep trying to do that.

As you know. the Arms is still open for 'business' so why not ask them what measure of success they are looking for? They voted for it after all.

There are very few BeLeavers in this thread
Copper, Mystery, HateIs have all posted.
No doubt others are reading, too.

None has bothered to say how they (personally) will measure the success or failure of Brexit.

To answer my own question, I know why you wouldn't ask that question on the leavers thread - because they would freak out, tell you they were sick of being asked that shit and then bombard you with emojis til you shut up.

Despite all your complaints here I think pp have been pretty fair in their responses

So if trade outside the EU expands but we lose trade from the EU resulting in a net loss, will that still be a success?

UK has been making a loss on EU trade since 1999. Current deficit is around £64 billion.

I can't see that any of the BeLeavers on this thread have posted a list - or even a couple of examples - of how they will measure the success of Brexit. Interesting that, given that they knew what they were voting for and should therefore have a very clear idea of what success will/won't look like

For some leaving the EU will be considered as success. Remember that the question was either leave or remain. Nothing said about deals or anything else.

None has bothered to say how they (personally) will measure the success or failure of Brexit

Incorrect in my case. If UK can expand its trade outside the EU then that is a success.

Remember EU represents only 15% of World Trade and is shrinking as countries like; China, India and South Korea grow rapidly.

The remaining 85% of World Trade is outside the EU and is growing. Makes sense to target growth areas rather than continue to make a loss in a shrinking area.

stupidity and deceit involved in bringing about Brexit

Another

I know better than you

Statement

As you know. the Arms is still open for 'business' so why not ask them what measure of success they are looking for? They voted for it after all

But you forget that people voted for many soft reasons and will have different views on what makes or does not make Brexit a success.

That Brexit is happening is a success in its own as it demonstrates that majority votes are actioned by government. ie democracy has been preserved.

As you know. the Arms is still open for 'business' so why not ask them what measure of success they are looking for? They voted for it after all

The Brexit Arms threads have ended

There is no longer a 'leave supporters' thread on MN Brexit boards

To seek known leave posters out on other MN boards merely to ask for/demand 'answers' about Brexit would be unnecessary harassment

(I know you have not done this or suggested this OP, it was brought up by another poster)

Rubbish, i have given a whole list of area's we could judge the success of brexit on or otherwise... you didn't reply to any of them, it doesn't bother me because you re a so called remainer who voted for a tory brexit, because (for you) the tory party can do no wrong! truth hurts but that's the reality

jas I’m not aware of any posts by you that are on the actual subject that I have ignored but if there are I apologise and if you tell me where they are I’ll reply

As for the second part of the above quote - anyone who’s actually read any of my posts would never reach the conclusion that ‘I think the Tory party can do no wrong’

Likewise, calling me at ‘so called ’ is just goading- I voted Remain but have accepted we’re leaving and need to make the best of it

Topping that off with ‘the truth hurts’ makes it clear you just want to make provocative posts in order to start another row - I’m not playing

As far as I am concerned anyone who voted Tory this time is now responsible for Brexit, regardless of how they voted originally

And as far as I’m concerned those who blindingly accepted the opposition were shite ‘but that’s just the way it is’ might as well have voted Tory themselves

To answer my own question, I know why you wouldn't ask that question on the leavers thread

I posted on that thread saying this one was here if people wanted to join in and some people from there have

Different threads are for different things - sadly some people on here haven’t worked that out and are just using this one to continue their anti-Brexit crusade

I voted Remain but have accepted we’re leaving and need to make the best of it
How are you, personally, going to 'make the best of it' Bear? What are your plans to help you do this? Remainers are constantly being told they have to 'make the best of it', 'get on with it', or - my least favourite - 'get behind it', but how do we do this?

'Make the best of it' seems like one of those meaningless phrases like, 'it is what it is'. Can you offer any concrete suggestions that will help me 'make the best of' losing valued colleagues, and 'make the best of' the sector I work in losing research funding, leaving jobs in jeopardy? How can I 'make the best' of losing FOM when I'd hoped to retire abroad, where I could have lived on my pension, which will be much harder in the UK? How shall I 'make the best of' my Danish dentist leaving because she felt the environment has become hostile to non-UK citizens, particularly as all the other local NHS dentists are no longer taking new patients and private treatment is out of my reach?

Any tips would be most welcome. I'm one of those 'just about managing' types and can't really afford to get any poorer. When I do, how shall I 'make the best of it'?

Do you actually mean 'make the best of it', or do you really mean 'suck it up'?