How will we measure Brexit’s success or failure?

[Bearbehind]

I’ve been pondering this for ages now

In any ‘normal’ project you’d have targets, objectives, deadlines, reviews etc but for Brexit beyond 2 deadlines of 31/1/20 and 31/12/20 there’s nothing

People talk about politicians being accountable now but what do we expect them to deliver and by when

Sorry, meant to add - what specifics would you include in those measure?

@GhostofFrankGrimes , I haven't forgotten a single minute. I haven't forgotten the bullshit. I haven't forgotten the cheerleading. I have a long list of who should take the blame.
But I cannot live my life stewing over it.
I prefer now to focus on my life and that of my family- with our EU citizenship maintained via Irish parents/grandparents and watch tbe shitshow unfold or find out I was wrong and it will all be fiiiiiine. I'm a prepper so if it goes to shit I'm fairly well set up. If it doesn't go to shit the worst that will happen is that I am wrong.

I'm not stewing over it. If the country cannot learn from the past the same mistakes will get made. Particularly pertinent given the amount of lies, half truths dished out in recent history.

I'm not stewing over it.

😂😂😂 not much!

Well observed Bear

Tremendous contribution to your own thread there bear. Bit irked about not being able to steer the debate to your own liking?

Not at all ghost, I just think it’s really quite funny that you don’t think you’re stewing over this when every post you make indicates you are absolutely fizzing about it

Bear,

There are a variety of consumer confidence indices widely used by the trading community, gfk being one of them. It is statistical but pretty objective and tends to be a leading index of economic activity.

Lifestyle measures are more subjective but they are quantified by economists and indices compiled.

Bear, as I've explained numerous times I hold an EU passport and will be largely protected from the fallout from brexit. I have nothing to be "fizzing" about. I think the naivety that surrounds brexit is hilarious.

*I have nothing to be "fizzing" about.

Rubbish. That you keep posting proves you are fizzing. Classic behaviour of bad losers.

I think the naivety that surrounds brexit is hilarious

Another “I know better” statement.

Another “I know better” statement.

That mentality is so ingrained in some people I don’t even think they realise they are doing it

I feel sorry for those living and working in the major car industry areas, they were persuaded to vote Tory in the GE and now the Government won’t give them the certainty they need about their industry continuing to follow EU regulations. They will end up loosing their jobs and livelihood together with the impact onto the economy.

they were persuaded to vote Tory in the GE

See, more ‘they didn’t know their own minds’ nonsense.

Who ‘persuaded’ them?

I feel sorry for those living and working in the major car industry areas, they were persuaded to vote Tory in the GE

Nissan is one of the biggest employers in Sunderland, but Sunderland had massive support for leaving the EU. Many mining villages that have religiously voted labour for decades voted conservative as they were leave supporters and believe in democracy.

Labour ignored their core voters by ignoring the result of the 2016 referendum. Hence they got the worst results since 1935.

I haven’t said they didn’t know their own minds. Where have I said that? Boris (unfortunately) ran a good election campaign in those areas but now isn’t giving them the certainty their industry must have.

No the only bitterness here is from those who wont accept that others will continue think brexit is a really shit idea. Despite attempts to police this thread and erase the last 4 years.

No the only bitterness here is from those who wont accept that others will continue think brexit is a really shit idea

Another

I know better

Statement

Brexit is a disaster until someone can provide the evidence that it isn’t.

I see mystery manages to spectacularly miss the main point about the british car being under major strain thanks to brexit. All the bleating about voting preferences wont change that fact. I'm not bitter though I don't work in the car industry or live in the affected areas so ain't my problem.

Boris (unfortunately) ran a good election campaign in those areas

Boris statement was simple;

I will deliver what you voted for in 2016

Labours statement was the opposite;

I will cancel what you voted for in 2016 as I know better and I don’t believe in democracy

Boris (unfortunately) ran a good election campaign in those areas but now isn’t giving them the certainty their industry must have

But he didn’t promise them certainty on specifics like the car industry before the election either so it’s not liked they were tricked

The fact there was no alternative to Boris was the problem - no other party offered any kind of ‘certainty’ at all - it was just more negotiations / votes etc

Boris offered the certainty of leaving - the fact that means different things to practically everyone is what let’s him off the hook - he could never promise anything specific so can’t be measured on delivering it or not

I see mystery manages to spectacularly miss the main point about the british car being under major strain thanks to brexit

So how do you explain why Sunderland, an area that depends a lot on Nissan, had such huge support for leaving the EU?

I'm not bitter though I don't work in the car industry or live in the affected areas so ain't my problem

Another fizz. If you are not affected by Brexit why are you posting at all?

For a lot of Brexiteers, stopping all immigration and making Britain 100% white would be a success.