How will we measure Brexit’s success or failure?

[Bearbehind]

I’ve been pondering this for ages now

In any ‘normal’ project you’d have targets, objectives, deadlines, reviews etc but for Brexit beyond 2 deadlines of 31/1/20 and 31/12/20 there’s nothing

People talk about politicians being accountable now but what do we expect them to deliver and by when

Well jas it's supposed to be a piece of research apparently (imaginative or not). Either way, your determination that "employment rights" are included is quite valid and I aver does come under my statement that low-paid T&Cs should be measured.

I'm not sure that declaring that x topic is the responsibility of y is a specific research reason for not accumulating and assessing data.

Whilst I do understand that you aren't keen on Brexit it doesn't therefore follow that you have a great understanding of research methods as part of your personal choice.

If you are in fact very qualified in the Research profession I do apologize and await your 'professional' correction.

I've suggested some sectors that are easily comparable over the next 5 years and in ones that affect our wealth/standing as country....

Unlike low wages, that have risen considerably in recent years and set to rise further still, its a very poor measure of brexit success or even economic success. Despite you believing its a "Premier" one... it really isn't, just like your reply......poor.

If you don't like it tough, OP never mentioned she wanted answers in the form of a piece of research.

The OP asked a question
I tried to answer it
she told me to stop posting
I then did answer it
and she does not like my answer
but has no better one

sums up Brexit

listening where have I said I didn’t like your answer?

I stated that a strong pound was a good thing because we’re a net importer - hence the value of the pound against other currencies is a good indicator

What do you want - bowing and scraping or should I just talk in peace......,,

And here is where it might all start to unravel ..... unless it is a Brexit that protects jobs and businesses. But didn't Boris once say Fuck business ?

There are a number of issues starting to pile up, including the question of how central government money is allocated to local government. The current review has been gamed to take money away from northern constituencies and give it to the Home Counties, by removing the deprivation criteria. Only now, this means taking money from areas that voted Tory in 2019.

Bear,

A trade deficit should correct over time via FX adjustment. It is not a positive long term as it needs to be compensated for by loans or foreign investment inflow, leaving us vulnerable to a sudden loss of confidence.

A strong currency in the long run is a measure of a successful economy (in general, Japan is a notable outlier here) but you need to decide where to measure it from. At the time of the referendum GBP was trading expensively relative to PPP and most other measures of fair value. I think we are currently trading near the average of the GBP/EUR exchange rate since the inception of the EUR. In addition, in the short to medium term interest rate differentials are a big driver of exchange rates.

GDP per capita, consumer confidence and lifestyle measures are far better metrics for the success or otherwise of Brexit.

but your original point was that the cost of living has gone up due to remainers causing uncertainty... which blatantly isn't the case- May caused it!!!

Because May is a remainers

Considering that sterling has fallen against a basket of currencies over many decades but manufacturing has not boomed, pours water on the fallacy that a weak sterling is somehow "good" for anyone

Manufacturing has been In decline since the 80s as UK shifted to a service based economy.

Yes and we know which political party oversaw the manufacturing decline and London centric move to services.

The same party that are supposedly going to regenerate the former manufacturing areas.

Any who, as this has nothing to do with the EU best stay on point.

For me Brexit is a democratic success. There was a vote to leave in 2016. However, bad losers fought for three years to block democracy.

That UK is leaving on 31st January has preserved democracy which is the function of governments around the world.

If dividing the nation can be seen as a marker of success, Brexit has been a massive triumph so far.

And people on this thread are planning to celebrate that with champagne. Well done them!

Brexit will never be a success. No one has come up with a list of benefits and loss of FOM is a disaster.

The champagne bollocks is few and far between on this thread. But if you want to kid yourself that everyone who isn't hardcore must be celebrating, go right ahead.

some people, Bellini. There's no need to get so belligerent.

Many Tories blocked May's deal getting through so i guess they were bad losers too. Or maybe they were just exercising their right in a representative democracy. Country split, parliament split.

Yes, Ghost. I seem to recall Johnson being one of them.

Brexit will never be a success

Article 49 allows UK to apply to rejoin. Nothing to stop people voting sofia the next election. Or how about starting your own party and call it the

FORTY NINERS

History is being written Arkadas. Let us not speak of the last 4 years.

Many Tories blocked May's deal getting through so i guess they were bad losers too

Mays deal was pay to remain. That’s why it was blocked after MOs were allowed to see the legal advise.

If the UK apply to rejoin in the future they will never get the preferential terms they benefit from now.

May's deal kept NI closer to the union than anything Johnson cobbles together. Contradictions, contradictions...

If the UK apply to rejoin in the future they will never get the preferential terms they benefit from now.

Yup. With the Balkan states queueing up and the prospect of Ukraine on the horizon, the bill for net contributors is going to rise and there will be no more rebates.

What you may see is the evolution of an overarching EU-EFTA-CofE type thing, incorporating Schengen, the Eurozone and a post-NATO defence alliance in a series of overpalling venn diagram thingies.

If the UK apply to rejoin in the future they will never get the preferential terms they benefit from now

That’s why UK won’t apply to rejoin.

GDP per capita, consumer confidence and lifestyle measures are far better metrics for the success or otherwise of Brexit.

GDP I understand but the other 2 are quite subjective aren’t they?

May's deal kept NI closer to the union than anything Johnson cobbles together. Contradictions, contradictions

Why did May not want the legal advice to become public knowledge?