Westminstenders: War and Weirdos

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With weirdos set to run No10 and Trump seemingly having started a new war in the Middle East, 2020 already looks set to be a cracking year.

To start off your year, it turns out that chinese curse about interesting times is actually a fallacy...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times

Happy New Year.

May we make 2030...

I remember meeting Prince Charles and Princess Diana at our local Highland games, they were both popular although she had more star appeal.
I'm wasn't convinced that Scots are more republican but this suggests otherwise.

** https://www.thetrumpet.com/17329-majority-of-scots-do-not-support-british-monarchyy*

Just on the monarchy. I think one of HMs most remarkable achievements is that the public essentially don't know what she thinks about anything. People can assume, they can guess, but they don't know. Sadly the same is not true of Prince Charles

The idea that the monarchy is therefore right wing is rather difficult to substantiate, "traditional?", well yeah of course it is.

Words from anyone in a very privileged position are empty if it comes to it, because they’re insulated from everything. That's true

Now it's clear that the monarchy can only ever be for the right, it's time for the rest of us to work to get rid of them all and become a republic

Ahaha! Is there any subject in which you are actually in tune with public opinion? Republicanism is far less popular than either EU membership or the Labour Party, two other causes that received an electoral trouncing in recent years. Third time lucky, eh?

It would be a Commonwealth rather than a forrin Republic. The Lord Speaker would be the non-executive head of state, with the speaker of the House of Commons as their deputy.

I've been insulated from the Meghan thing by not having any interest in the RF and having people like Piers Morgan and Hatie Katie muted on twitter, but someone I follow had a Meghan thread last night with some videos, which for the sake of having a somewhat informed opinion I watched. She comes over as articulate, intelligent and decent.

For the sake of completeness I also looked at a couple of threads on here and on twitter - and .... people are fucking nuts. Obsessive and full of hate. I don't know where the hate comes from but it's very hard to conclude that race has nothing to do with it.

"The idea that the monarchy is therefore right wing is rather difficult to substantiate,"

Most supporters of the monarchy started an immediate hatefest as soon as the rightwing media told them she was supposedly "liberal"

• although most US liberals would fit easily into the Tory party

They will force out anyone not conservative / Stepford wife who joins the RF

Also, I can guarantee you that I you can find me a climate change denying Meghan hater I can predict their Brexit politics with 100% certainty.

According to a recent Deltapoll survey, only 41 percent of Scots back the monarchy. Twenty-seven percent of Scots say they are ambivalent toward the monarchy, while 28 percent report being hostile.
Hardly a ringing endorsement for republicanism. Sounds more like 'Ah couldnae care less'

The current lot are more Scots than English.

Vote for Independence and we're sending them north.

She comes over as articulate, intelligent and decent. Fair enough but how helpful are her statements about 'empowering women'. How does she 'empower' women? Poor women with poor education need money to improve their lives. Do people like Angelina, Hillary and Meghan actually donate any money? Do we know?

What on earth is the justification for a supposedly modern country to have a hereditory head of state ?

They don't even choose the most suitable member of the family of the right age
It's all about birth order

So we have a monarch in her 90s, who would be succeeded by a monarch in his 70s or even 80s, if he doesn't pop his clogs first

That's the problem with all the charitably inclined rich:
the most useful thing they could do is divide their wealth among a number of suitably poor recipients

Of course they never do
but the reason so many people have far too little is that a few others have far far too much

Why does it matter derxa? She's not a politician and I'd expect you to be equally critical if she got involved in anything even faintly political.

tl;dr the obsessive haters and racists gonna hate whatever she does.

Also, RF twitter/mumsnet/the Internet is full of the weirdest most obsessive vilest human beings I have EVER come across. Makes MAGA and Brexit folk look positively sane!

For the sake of completeness I also looked at a couple of threads on here and on twitter - and .... people are fucking nuts. Obsessive and full of hate. I don't know where the hate comes from but it's very hard to conclude that race has nothing to do with it.

Isn’t it extraordinary? They’re all round the twist.

My personal analysis on the reaction about MM and Harry is tht it's deeply rooted in the class system in the UK. And in particular the hatred of not following rules and staying where you belong.

Harry marrying sn American was bad enough but wanting to stay in his ripe of the prince, aka to be looked at paraded, behaviing in a certain way and not the other (see all the threads on here about MM and how she dare touhing her belu whilst pg/wearing non nude tights and whatever else that no one would ever give a fuck about if it wasnt the Roayls.
Being in RF somehow give to the people the feeling that they have control over them and cant tell them how to behave .

I also think that more than anything the issue is with her beind marican aka NOT british. Because she will automaticaly do thing in a different way, react n a different ay, have different values and ime this is not seen as appropriate within the british culture (see my MIL who told me that my dcs arent properly british .... I am french, dh is british, the dcs have been born and raised in the uk. But thats not good enough)

Why does it matter derxa? She's not a politician and I'd expect you to be equally critical if she got involved in anything even faintly political. The royal family are meant to be apolitical. Now she's resigned she can spout as much nonsense as she likes. I won't hear it because I won't be attending a meeting of millionaires that she's charging £100,00 for her speech.

derxa
we like Princess Anne here

The "we" is perhaps a little sweeping...

We should probably keep an eye on what the gvmt are voting in while everyone looks elsewhere and argues about whether someone they've never met and who appears to be taking steps to distance herself from a deeply toxic situation can reasonably de dubbed an idiot/manipulative bitch/RF-wrecker/whatever...

Fair enough but how helpful are her statements about 'empowering women'. How does she 'empower' women?

Afaik M has done some humanitarian work in her past. I don’t see why she can’t signal her interests so that she can be offered the charity work that appeals to her.

My personal analysis on the reaction about MM and Harry is tht it's deeply rooted in the class system in the UK. And in particular the hatred of not following rules and staying where you belong.

It’s a toxic combination of not being the right class, the right colour, or the right nationality.

When I briefly saw the DM comments reaction to the news that they were even a couple - back at the start - I saw she would never be accepted.

Anyway that’s as much RF bollocks as I can take in one day. J’en ai marre.

It certainly shows the Brits up as a bunch of class obsessed racists.

I'm always amused at the idea that race has nothing to do with it. Just like race has nothing to do with people's attitudes to Gina Miller or David Lammy or Sadiq Khan.

Nationality is less of factor IMO: Johnson has been American for all but a short period of his political career, while Lammy, Miller and Khan are all British.

Quite so Mistigri - black, or mixed race bad. Half American but white - good, especially so if you don't denounce your American side until they inconveniently come for some tax.