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Westminstenders: War and Weirdos

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RedToothBrush · 03/01/2020 21:34

With weirdos set to run No10 and Trump seemingly having started a new war in the Middle East, 2020 already looks set to be a cracking year.

To start off your year, it turns out that chinese curse about interesting times is actually a fallacy...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times

Happy New Year.

May we make 2030...

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flouncyfanny · 04/01/2020 08:00

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AuldAlliance · 04/01/2020 08:40

PMK
If only I could curl up in a basket of tissue paper, too...

Westminstenders: War and Weirdos
lonelyplanetmum · 04/01/2020 09:04

Also from the Cummings thing the nub seems to be flailing around for ideas, ideally he seeks bad ideas:

"Part of the point of a small, odd No10 team is to find and exploit ‘very high leverage ideas’ and these will almost inevitably seem bad to most."

FFS The time for ideas was 3 years ago. Does he seriously believe there are significant new economic/ trade models that haven't been thought of?

He does seem obsessed with the potential in bad ideas. But there are plenty of those surely?

It's not been true in recent times that government systems push people away from bad ideas. Plenty of bad ideas have been facilitated..Gove's educational retro return, UC, Health and Social Care Act 2012, Brexit.

At least he admits that most ideas that seem bad are bad. [ especially Like ditching a lucrative trading bloc and crashing the £]

" But great ideas also seem at first like bad ideas " Errr like remaining ?

Mockers2020Vision · 04/01/2020 09:25

Who wants to shove this in DC's inbox?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs

Moanranger · 04/01/2020 09:51

Re Cummings - certainly prolix! I would have hauled him up for bad writing in my company - get to the point, man! I do not know why he is thought a genius by some.
This is a word salad, when you drill down, he is clearly frustrated with civil service group think. Yet group think is a function of large organisation everywhere, just look at Google, Uber, etc. Maybe he could hire the CEO of WeWork - that would be fun!
I happen to agree with him Re moving managers around too much, but that is a small part of the problem, if there is indeed a problem. Hiring a bunch of D.C. clones will disappoint him in the long run, and will in the end be yet another example of wasted £ caused by Brexit.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/01/2020 10:13

Thanks, red 💐

2020 not off to a good start

  • I hope it ends with Trump losing, but that won't happen unless the Democrats get their act together and unite around someone sensible, with no flouncing from supporters of other candidates

With the rise of the batshit authoritarian right across much of the West, the centre and left can't afford to self-indulgently argue with their own navel fluff.

"weirdos set to run No10"

They've been dominating No 10 for the last few years, but are now strong enough to come into the open
Partly because there is no effective opposition.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/01/2020 10:14

I like the title Grin

Peregrina · 04/01/2020 10:44

I would hope too, that Labour elect a less divisive leader. This time the field of potential candidates seems stronger. I see that Lisa Nandy has just declared.

GeistohneGrenzen · 04/01/2020 10:47

pmk

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 04/01/2020 11:02

Thanks red

malylis · 04/01/2020 11:35

It appears the Brexit Arms lot have managed to get JasJas banned.

prettybird · 04/01/2020 11:42

Last few days of the cats enjoying a festive room.

Ds is really quite disturbed about what is happening in the Middle East - fears that he might end up being conscripted within 5 years when the UK blindly follows the US into a new World War - and that Scottish independence wouldn't have come soon enough to stop that (as an authoritarian government in Westminster will have no truck with self-determination and will never "allow" Scotland to leave).

Westminstenders: War and Weirdos
AuldAlliance · 04/01/2020 11:43

That spiel from DC is revealing.
In most professions, it would be seen as embarrassing to post so publicly, claiming to know better than most other people, without having proofread and corrected your grammar, constructions, repetitions and general BS (WTF, for instance is a "1 in 10,000 or higher level of temperament"?)
As for "If these sort of things are interesting, then you will find this project interesting", it's straight out of Orwell.

On another thread, someone described BJ as a toddler, meaning it as a compliment.
DC comes across as an adolescent who's got over-excited by his reading and thinks it's cool to criticise individuals who quote Lacan, while simultaneously quoting dozens of people himself.

The UK is in deep shit.

derxa · 04/01/2020 12:24

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Emilyontmoor · 04/01/2020 12:30

Having worked in the public sector there has always been a swing between developing managers as generalists versus specialists. In the private sector too. There is always someone who comes in swinging their dick around (they always have one, albeit probably very small) with a new reinvention of the wheel. Cummings is just another narcissist dressing up old ideas in new clothes and trying to pretend he is a genius and maverick as a result. I have to say McKinseys did it much better, they could written in decent rational English, for a start. Yawn......

Which caused me to take a look and hey presto www.mckinsey.com/uk/our-insights/brexit-the-bigger-picture-embracing-agility-in-a-volatile-world Businesses are "moving away from traditional organizational models based on static, siloed hierarchies to an agile operating model. In this new paradigm, companies define a powerful common purpose and put in place enabling technology that allows networks of teams to innovate rapidly and co-create new value. The objective is simple: to deliver better outcomes to customers at a faster pace and at lower cost.

These agile teams are already creating significantly greater financial returns than traditional business units, along with much higher customer engagement and employee satisfaction.2 That said, agile operating models are still in their early days, and most companies have only begun to experiment with them–if at all. If UK firms are to unlock the full promise of agility, they will need to take several bold steps. These include fostering shared purpose to seize new value creation opportunities, ramping up the speed of innovation and learning, and investing in next-generation technology."

thecatfromjapan · 04/01/2020 12:38
Thanks
DustyDiamond · 04/01/2020 12:38

It appears the Brexit Arms lot have managed to get JasJas banned.

Say what now?!

If they are indeed banned then it's surely their own doing?!

Not 'the fault' of other MNers 🤷🏻‍♀️

Emilyontmoor · 04/01/2020 12:40

I have today woken up to many people who know Iran, from Monty Don to academics, commenting on how Iran is one of the most beautiful countries in the world with kind and hospitable people, and a fascinating and deeply embedded culture and history. It just shows how leaders can undermine their people. Thinking of them today, in Iran and the diaspora, and hoping that one day there will be more peaceful times and I will realise my ambition to visit here, sadly I suspect after the past two days it may not be in my lifetime.

DustyDiamond · 04/01/2020 12:44

It appears the Brexit Arms lot have managed to get JasJas banned.

Just checked - all her posts are still there, none deleted

Perhaps she was banned for something else?
Just a thought 🤷🏻‍♀️

Although if she was in the habit of making up blatant lies about what other posters said & posting them as 'fact' (as she did on the other thread) then I'd not be surprised if other MNers took umbrage with that 🤷🏻‍♀️

ListeningQuietly · 04/01/2020 12:46

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MaxNormal · 04/01/2020 12:58

I'm really not a fan of that silly shrugging emoji. It seems horribly passive aggressive.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/01/2020 13:20

When we occasionally get asked why hardly any of us go on the Brexit Arms, then that's my reason:
I don't want to gain the ire of stalkers who'll follow me everywhere trying to get me banned

It's happened to at least a couple of Remainers whose posts weren't deleted, but then became targets.

A poster doesn't always have to break the rules to be banned by MNHQ - they can just be continually stalked and reported for almost every comment

  • imo MNHQ assume the sheer volume of reports must mean guilt, or they just don't want to invest any more time handling them.
It's happened to FWR posters who only posted biological facts, not insults or lies.
BigChocFrenzy · 04/01/2020 13:23

Repeating the important lies over the years from BJ, Cummings and Leave doesn't get anyone banned - and it shouldn't either
Incorrect statements should be answered with the facts

malylis · 04/01/2020 13:27

Agree Big choc, the arms has got lots of remain posters banned. Jas has posted here for years too!

TheGhostOfEpicPast · 04/01/2020 13:28

🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

I can’t even with any of this.