Any other remainers planning to leave?

[BananaBlaps]

We’re lucky as DH can apply for Australian citizenship. Feeling so angry about the state of the county upping sticks seems like an extreme but satisfying plan!

@Feigninghorror Where did you go ?

@Miljea what did you do about it?

Because in a business situation suppliers do not want to fall out with their major customer. Which gives the big players an advantage.

Does having an advantage inevitably mean you order everyone else about?
Sorry to be pedantic, and all that.

It means you can insist things are done your way, and economies of scale mean that smaller countries cannot compete for EU wide tenders, yes.

What MysteryTrip hasn’t grasped is that those leaving the UK are people with skills; doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers

That has been happening before the referendum since deindustrialization of the UK that started in the 80s.

And happening at a much higher rate now particularly amongst non UK citizens. It’s one of the reasons the NHS are so concerned about getting safely through the winter. At DH’s GP practice they are now sharing a nurse practitioner with another two local practices as there is such a shortage.

That has been happening before the referendum since deindustrialization of the UK that started in the 80s.

So why exacerbate it?

Trewser maybe take a look at what Ireland has gained from the EU before talking about Germany enjoying the biggest gains from membership.

The biggest positive Germany gained from the EU was the ability to absorb the former GDR without collapsing.

Maybe look at the real picture of UK manufacturing too.
Britain has the sixth largest manufacturing output in the world. Car production, aerospace production and nuclear technology are notable growth sectors sectors. (All are set to suffer greatly from Brexit because the UK will be exposed to direct competition from China and other low wage industrial producers and will not have the ready made market of the EU available without a trade deal). There has been a relative decline in the manufacturing labour force but a steady rise in productivity since the early 1970s.

There are many institutional and systemic issues that the UK should have dealt with - preference for academic over technical education, ideologically driven government policy wrt taxes and R&D/ infrastructure investment, poor management, government reliance on consumer spending as an engine of growth - that stand in the way of growth in industrial output. All of that was in the power of successive governments to turn around - it's not the fault of the EU that they did not.

Spot on

preference for academic over technical education,

Indeed so, there was a good report on 14-18 education in the mid 2000s, 2004 or thereabouts, called the Tomlinson Report which would have addressed this. Blair didn't want to know - he wanted the Gold Standard of A levels to continue.

We are out of here, just rented a house in Spain for 5 years . Will run our business from there, I hate the UK....I am ashamed of what our once tolerant society has become. Fortunately I have an Irish passport so we should be ok

I am ashamed of what our once tolerant society has become. Fortunately I have an Irish passport so we should be ok.

Ireland not as tolerant as you thought:

May 2019 "Ireland ‘among worst EU states’ for racial violence based on skin colour."

www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ireland-among-worst-eu-states-for-racial-violence-based-on-skin-colour-1.3889478

Oct 2019 "Ireland has one of the highest rates of racism in the workplace within the EU."

"A Europe-wide report shows Ireland's rate for workplace racism is 33%, compared to an EU average of 22%."

"The study involved all 28 of the EU's member states. Ireland ranked worst alongside Austria, Finland and Luxembourg."

www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-ranks-among-worst-in-eu-wide-racism-study-956257.html

Since the poster is talking about having an Irish passport, not living in Ireland, you c & p is a bit irrelevant Clavinova.

@Clavinova

Hahaha

Hahaha

She's not ashamed to have an Irish passport then?

("I am ashamed of what our once tolerant society has become")

Clav, she was talking about British society.

Oh and you missed some very important information out of that copy and paste.

Both examples of your poor cognitive skills.

I am ashamed of what our once tolerant society has become. Fortunately I have an Irish passport so we should be ok

If the report is actually read instead of just a bit of out of context c&p, the situation across europe, inc the UK is dire.
There is no doubting that discrimination, hate speech and racial violence is on the rise,
Trump and Brexit have normalised speech and actions that i'd have thought impossible just a few years ago... remember Trump having ago at the (muslim) parents of a dead decorated american soldier? or Johnsons homophobic/ racist newspaper articles? Farages "Breaking point" poster? (lifted from Nazi Germany)

However, i do disagree with the OP, i have never found the UK to have been a tolerant society at all.

For many remainers, brexit is about the UK becoming insular, narrow minded, we also lose european identity, an Irish passport and a possible move to Europe gets that back again.

Clav, she was talking about British society.

I was talking about Irish society and racism.

Yes, but since this person was talking about going to Spain, it was a bit irrelevant.

Brexiteers gloating over winning and Remainers banging on about how they are right. Will this never end - I don't think so.

You used one survey particular to a certain group to make a judgement about a whole societal problem in a country, which wasn't the initial country discussed.

Fundamentally flawed.

You used one survey particular to a certain group to make a judgement

Appears to be two surveys - racial violence based on skin colour ('12 EU states') and racism in the workplace within the EU ('study involved all 28 of the EU's member states').

Fundamentally flawed.

Yes - I see that now - the author of the report is the Director of the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights. We don't fund this nonsense with our EU contributions do we?

Nope, your judgement and critique are fundamentally flawed. As usual.

Looks like Harry and Megan are Megxiting. Not exactly Brexit but pretty clear a racist right wing press and the horrible attitudes they unleashed which Megan has described as painful to endure are a factor. No great fan of theirs, clearly they will go off to live the comfortable lives of the wealthy global elite, but nobody rich or poor should be subject to such horrible attitudes. Two rich spoilt women, one a mixed race American woman, the other a white British woman, both wear nice clothes, Look decorative, open things, attend parties, patronise (in both senses) charities and enjoy the privileges of their position, designer homes at the taxpayers expense etc. One is the subject of constant criticism, the other gets fawning column inches