Any other remainers planning to leave?

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We’re lucky as DH can apply for Australian citizenship. Feeling so angry about the state of the county upping sticks seems like an extreme but satisfying plan!

but now with 50k of debt, they do not.

One of those unexpected side effects. At one time, yes the bursary gave the feeling of obligation. Now it's paying for a course as you would for English or Geography, so why not take yourself off to the highest bidder?

Yes already putting plans in place

Couldn’t live anywhere else than Britain. It’s not that easy to move to another country. I have various family members who live in EU and outside and it has been tough. There are so many cultural differences and they miss home .

lilgreen This is the same for my family too.

If all 16.1 million remain supporters think being in the EU Is best is why don’t they all leave the UK and live in their beloved EU and take orders from Germany?

A 16.1 million reduction in UK population (likely to be higher when under 18s of remain supporters are added) would be of huge benefit to the UK.

Less pressure on; NHS, schools, etc

@MysteryTripAgain what a ridiculous and ignorant post.

Mystery shows her class again.

This is repeated by many leave supporters, good to see they believe in democracy really.

Ugh.

Funny how life's winners are too insecure to bear the thought of any dissent in their vicinity.

Less pressure on; NHS, schools, etc

If you seriously think that removing all the people of working age and keeping all the pensioners is going to reduce pressure on the NHS, I can only assume you haven’t set foot in a GP surgery recently.

I'm a HCP.

What I am now witnessing is the wholesale recruitment of overseas trained staff, now the EU staff are leaving; the cessation of the bursary is biting, along with the successful campaign by the red top tabloids in blaming the 2008 financial crash on nurses pensions, and the relentless anti -NHS vitriol splattered all over their front pages, week in, week out.

I am 'amused' by Dominic Cummings remarks about how there is no 'historical legacy' in the civil service as staff endlessly move from job to job (in order to boost a stagnant salary), and how this affects departmental performance, as the wheel is endlessly reinvented.

So my department is full of one/two years service, staff. Reinventing the wheel. Accepting terms and conditions that make many of our practices dangerous to you, the patient. Many come from patriarchal cultures where you do not question, you obey. Their practice isn't 'evidence based', it's what the corner cutting, target driven manager demands- as the metric is quantity, not quality.

Many incomers seem reasonably competent, if not always 'in tune', culturally. Others are evidently not qualified. Genuinely.

You think the seven goes at your wrist imaging was 'thorough'. I know she fekked it up 5 times. You got that radiation....

...take orders from Germany

Interesting Weltanschauung there MysteryTrip.

Is that how you fancy life in the EU is?

You're going to love being Puerto Rico East.

What MysteryTrip hasn’t grasped is that those leaving the UK are people with skills; doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers.

If my remainer immediate family left you'd lose a nurse, a endodontist, a orthodontist, a paramedic, an orthopaedic surgeon and a cardiologist.

Fortunately they will not leave.

They can all afford private health insurance though

Personally I find much to admire in Germany - good health care systems, tenants have decent rights - that's two for starters. I don't feel the same about America - so being told to take orders from Germany is no problem.

The suggestion that the UK and other EU states take orders from Germany is not only fallacious.

It's also v revealing of the underlying mindset of some Brexit supporters, who have singularly failed to move on from a period when the UK was at war, xenophobia was thus somehow justifiable and the fact that the UK fought alongside a range of allies was conveniently omitted from the national myth.

It's the thinking behind that vile poster that Leave.EU produced and it will be what comes to the fore when BJ's foolhardy plans to rush through a deal founder and a scapegoat needs to be found.

There is no doubt that Germany is the driving force behind the EU for economic reasons. Also they win most of the EU tenders for military equipment as their manufacturing base is so huge. Not a criticism, just pointing out that they are a top heavy part of the EU.

Germany has the largest population and contributes financially the most but they have been the major driving force in making the EU such a successful trading block with the rest of the world.

Yes I don't disagree with you parker and I've been there a lot and its a nice country but its silly to say that it isn't the biggest beneficiary of the EU.

I agree that Germany has benefited - as have all the EU members - in different ways but Poland is the biggest net recipient of the EU budget followed by Greece, Romania, Hungary and Portugal.

I also agree that Germany is a nice country. We did a city break to Berlin recently and it’s amazing at the differences since the wall came down.

Yes we have done business with Germany so visited a lot and liked it enough to go on holiday there a couple of times. O level German very useful.

My cousin (neonatal nurse) is moving to Denmark, her wife is a medic in the forces, she’ll be working as a family doctor in Denmark after a short conversion type course.

My cousins hospital struggles to attract enough neonatal nurses, at the moment they are unable to fill their ward due to a lack of staff. When my cousin leaves this will be even worse.

I work in the financial sector, the large company I work for have experienced a significant number of people moving to the EU offices of our firm, and other firms. Generally companies will take you on in our line of work if you only speak English as it isn’t a disadvantage due to not being a front facing role.

My boyfriend is a citizen of an EU country, he is also going through the process of gaining British citizenship as he rightly does not trust the british government.

How does contributing the most financially, benefiting like others and less than some others and winning the most tenders mean Germany is ordering everyone else around?

The two are not synonymous, from a rational perspective.

We left a few weeks ago after twenty five years in the UK, taking with us eight degrees and decades of experience and expertise in our fields.