Westminstenders: The only way forward is up.

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A new thread as the other one is getting full. I'm enjoying the post election discussion. Every view is listened to and welcomed.

Brexit is happening, but what kind of Brexit will it be?

New leaderships for both Labour and the LibDems.

Most importantly, will Britain be Great in 2024?

Whichever way Brexit had been resolved, half the country would be bitterly angry and resentful for many years to come
That's Cameron's legacy

BJ is so Marmite and Tories so triumphalist, that I only see the country becoming more split, with the young becoming especially angry and frustrated

The Tories have neither the wish nor the ability to bring the country together
and the monarchy seem an increasingly sleazy irrelevance

Choma I really think they won't u less they're completely ignorant and I don't believe they are. It would fly in the face of everything Johnson said in his speech.

I concur with much of what Bear has just said.

Sorry to hear that, placemats

What I want more than anything is to have a party that I can actually get behind in the next election. For so many voters it was a choice of what they thought would be worse rather than who they really supported. It's quite a negative viewpoint and having had time to reflect, I think a hung parliament would have been a disaster - and lasted less than six months at the outside.

And absolutely agree with 'it's their only route to power.'

I think that is the main lesson they will have drawn from this GE.

As far as the hard Left are concerned, the game is still on, and there's all to play for.

The outcome of that is just indescribably awful for ordinary people (like me).

Cendrillon
All this cash for the NHS ......
where is it coming from ???
please explain

with the young becoming especially angry and frustrated

I think the young were sensible enough to realise Corbyn’s promise of free everything was unrealistic

They might be angry and frustrated, but it’s not just at the Tories, it’s at the lack of an alternative

listening, what were Labour going to do about the NHS and where was the money for that coming from?

I don’t think any of us were convinced by free everything. I laughed at the £22k Waspi payment I was promised. But I absolutely didn’t want Johnson and I want to weep at the prospect of spending the rest of my life under a Tory government, which is a distinct possibility if they get another ten years.

listening, what were Labour going to do about the NHS and where was the money for that coming from?

Doesnt matter what Labour were going to do, they lost, so where is this money from the NHS coming from?

I was hoping for a hung parliament. To answer Bear's question upthread, I was hoping for it specifically because I think the worst outcome of Brexit has been the polarisation of the country, and that was exacerbated by May's gleeful winner-take-all adoption of the ERG desire for the most radical Brexit they could shove down our throats. I was hoping that a hung parliament would focus minds and FORCE people to work together at last.

There was a moment after the referendum when May could have been a real stateswoman and acknowledged that the country was split almost perfectly in two, so there needed to be compromises on both sides of the debate. That didn't happen. Instead, we've had an ever shriller insistence that there could be NO discussion of forms of Brexit because ANYTHING slightly softer than bloody granite wasn't the will of the sodding people.

And not only were discussions not permitted, we weren't allowed impact assessments of what WAS being planned, or debates over it, or even checks that we were actually following British law in the process of getting to it. Apparently "the people" have gone off so half-cocked on this getting out of the EU business they're happy to give it less scrutiny than a second hand car.

I would have liked to have seen SOME sign that even people who want Brexit might have been a little concerned by all this, but I stand corrected. This is the best chance in British history to really do people over and give them something they weren't expecting because they've made it clear they really don't care about anything after the headline.

So here we are.

*for not from although that will probably be the direction of travel tbh

Well there’s the £350k a week we were told about on the bus ...

Bearbehind
Labour were planning to raise taxes to pay for things.

Where will the Tories get the money for the NHS ?

Doesn't matter what Labour were going to do, they lost, so where is this money from the NHS coming from?

Of course it matters - it’s why they lost - they weren’t actually offering anything better.

Boris is making a big song and dance about essentially just increasing NHS funding in line with inflation isn’t he - but that’s achievable

Labour were planning to raise taxes to pay for things.

Indeed - and pretty soon they’d have run out of other people’s money and the majority of us could see that

Boris is making a big song and dance about essentially just increasing NHS funding in line with inflation isn’t he - but that’s achievable
Ah, so actually no real increase in funding at all
to make up for the ten years of cuts
so we will stay at 2009 levels

Blah blah Bear, still banging on about Labour, we lost, your party is now in power, where is the money coming from?

singa thanks for the response

I just don’t understand how you think a hung parliament would have fared any better than the last one

A collaborative approach to Brexit was always the best option but it didn’t happen and wouldn’t have done if we’d had another hung parliament.

Indeed - and pretty soon they’d have run out of other people’s money and the majority of us could see that
Why has Scandinavia not collapsed then ?

Blah blah Bear, still banging on about Labour, we lost, your party is now in power, where is the money coming from?

It’s only an inflationary rise in reality, it doesn’t need huge funding. It’s just being well spun.

Was very annoyed at my acquaintance at Church who said he was going to join the Labour Party to vote for another Corbyn so that it would 'destroy the vile party'. I asked him if he even understood the importance of a decent opposition and if he had seen what happened to countries that didn't have one. A decent opposition is almost as important as the governing party.

Why has Scandinavia not collapsed then ?

Eh? Scandinavia isn’t even just 1 country.

How that’s comparable with the UK is beyond me?

A decent opposition is almost as important as the governing party.

This!

It's not being well spun within the NHS though where folk know it's bollocks. Just like all teachers know that the money being promised to education takes us to 2010 funding levels and still leaves most schools worse off per pupil next year.

An opposition to be effective it needs a free non partisan media to report it and there we have the sticking point in this country